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		<title>By: Nog</title>
		<link>http://steve-olson.com/how-the-public-school-system-crushes-souls/comment-page-6/#comment-9541</link>
		<dc:creator>Nog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 05:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amazing to me how many people from all walks of life, intellectual and academic levels, have hated high school.  Coupled with the crappy suburban community I lived in, I hated high school so much it made me dislike most American social institutions and for a very long time America itself.  It wasn&#039;t until I moved away that I realized you could be a part of a nice society and be social.  However today I remain distant from Americana.

Another interesting point is how long this has affected us.  Today if something pisses me off I get over it rather quickly.  But I suppose the time when our brains are developing to be put through such hell leaves scars.

What gets me most is how incredibly unimportant high school is.  That piece of paper means nothing.  I could have dropped out and gotten my GED, gone to junior college, off to regular college and then to grad school and be where I am today.  I went this route anyway minus the GED.  The mundane, banal, stupidity I could have saved myself.  And for nothing. That diploma can&#039;t even get you a job at a convenience store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing to me how many people from all walks of life, intellectual and academic levels, have hated high school.  Coupled with the crappy suburban community I lived in, I hated high school so much it made me dislike most American social institutions and for a very long time America itself.  It wasn&#8217;t until I moved away that I realized you could be a part of a nice society and be social.  However today I remain distant from Americana.</p>
<p>Another interesting point is how long this has affected us.  Today if something pisses me off I get over it rather quickly.  But I suppose the time when our brains are developing to be put through such hell leaves scars.</p>
<p>What gets me most is how incredibly unimportant high school is.  That piece of paper means nothing.  I could have dropped out and gotten my GED, gone to junior college, off to regular college and then to grad school and be where I am today.  I went this route anyway minus the GED.  The mundane, banal, stupidity I could have saved myself.  And for nothing. That diploma can&#8217;t even get you a job at a convenience store.</p>
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		<title>By: DR</title>
		<link>http://steve-olson.com/how-the-public-school-system-crushes-souls/comment-page-6/#comment-9532</link>
		<dc:creator>DR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So many people commenting here have missed some very key points in this post. I&#039;ll admit, the writer is obviously still very angry and perhaps using this post as a way to work through his anger. However, one line has always stuck with me from this post: &quot;Institutionalizing large numbers of children before they form a moral foundation will always lead to abuse&quot;. For those who say &quot;lets rebuild the system&quot;, there is no way in a million years you would ever get the already countless millions of financially pressed school systems to create smaller schools and class rooms, nor would the average American family be willing or able to afford the taxes required to make smaller schools and class rooms. And most of his point was, yes, he was a mean teenager, but only because the system drove him to it with incompetent teaching and mismanagment of the youth culture. So yeah, public schools should be there because we can&#039;t leave the poorest in the dust, but very very small private schools or homeschooling is best given the state of the American public school system. Here is another online post that has influenced my decision to homeschool: http://www.homeschoolnewslink.com/blog/?p=629. Putting kids into large groups leads to group mentality and a demand for conformity instead of letting our children naturally blossom into their unique selves that could so enrich this world. This country and world is missing out on a lot of uniqueness and gifted individuals because our people were thrown into the lions den where the best way to survive is to act and think like the other lions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many people commenting here have missed some very key points in this post. I&#8217;ll admit, the writer is obviously still very angry and perhaps using this post as a way to work through his anger. However, one line has always stuck with me from this post: &#8220;Institutionalizing large numbers of children before they form a moral foundation will always lead to abuse&#8221;. For those who say &#8220;lets rebuild the system&#8221;, there is no way in a million years you would ever get the already countless millions of financially pressed school systems to create smaller schools and class rooms, nor would the average American family be willing or able to afford the taxes required to make smaller schools and class rooms. And most of his point was, yes, he was a mean teenager, but only because the system drove him to it with incompetent teaching and mismanagment of the youth culture. So yeah, public schools should be there because we can&#8217;t leave the poorest in the dust, but very very small private schools or homeschooling is best given the state of the American public school system. Here is another online post that has influenced my decision to homeschool: <a href="http://www.homeschoolnewslink.com/blog/?p=629" rel="nofollow">http://www.homeschoolnewslink.com/blog/?p=629</a>. Putting kids into large groups leads to group mentality and a demand for conformity instead of letting our children naturally blossom into their unique selves that could so enrich this world. This country and world is missing out on a lot of uniqueness and gifted individuals because our people were thrown into the lions den where the best way to survive is to act and think like the other lions.</p>
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		<title>By: bobby light</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobby light</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isnt what school is like at all, its great. I cant see how your life could be this bad. It seems like you went out of your way to be odd and left out, who wants to hang out with a guy that growls at people? You ruined it for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isnt what school is like at all, its great. I cant see how your life could be this bad. It seems like you went out of your way to be odd and left out, who wants to hang out with a guy that growls at people? You ruined it for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: The Free School Apparent</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Free School Apparent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 01:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] schooling. Haven’t we learned anything from our own experiences in government schools? —from Steve Olsen.com Our future problem [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I am so glad to see that other people feel the same way I do about public school.   I am a certified teacher who decided to never teach.  I thought I could make a difference, even if it was just in one classroom in one school, but hell, the kids didn&#039;t care that I was teaching them to be independent learners and critical thinkers -- and the staff and administration didn&#039;t care either. Nobody did. 

I now work in a completely different field.  But my personal experience in the public school system still haunts me.  I literally still -- at 31 years old -- have nightmares about exams and teachers trying to &quot;trick you&quot; in quizzess and tests.  Every September I cringe for students going back to school.  I feel for them.  It sucks.  So much unnecessary stress, frustration, hurt, rejection, not to mention exposure to garbage that many innocent minds are not ready for.

I wish I knew how to make a difference!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I am so glad to see that other people feel the same way I do about public school.   I am a certified teacher who decided to never teach.  I thought I could make a difference, even if it was just in one classroom in one school, but hell, the kids didn&#8217;t care that I was teaching them to be independent learners and critical thinkers &#8212; and the staff and administration didn&#8217;t care either. Nobody did. </p>
<p>I now work in a completely different field.  But my personal experience in the public school system still haunts me.  I literally still &#8212; at 31 years old &#8212; have nightmares about exams and teachers trying to &#8220;trick you&#8221; in quizzess and tests.  Every September I cringe for students going back to school.  I feel for them.  It sucks.  So much unnecessary stress, frustration, hurt, rejection, not to mention exposure to garbage that many innocent minds are not ready for.</p>
<p>I wish I knew how to make a difference!</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I graduated last year (2010) from a Eastview  High school in apple valley and god i hated that school, i really want to go on a huge rant, but i will save that for some place else. 

I would enjoy exchanging Emails with the writer of this post if you are interested please respond to this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I graduated last year (2010) from a Eastview  High school in apple valley and god i hated that school, i really want to go on a huge rant, but i will save that for some place else. </p>
<p>I would enjoy exchanging Emails with the writer of this post if you are interested please respond to this.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 17:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been subbing for years.  I&#039;ve been offered my own clssroom.  I don&#039;t want it.  I won&#039;t take it.  Everyday I see what teachers down the hall go through.  Most of the time they&#039;re probably not physically threatened.  But emotionally, they&#039;re humiliated by kids half their size who verbally abuse them and do whatever they want.  Then the parents come up to school and want to know why the kids are acting up or not learning.  When the teacher tries to deal with the the problems, the parents come up and want to know why their kids are being picked on by the teacher.  It&#039;s a catch 22 and a living hell. It&#039;s easier to just bang your head against the wall.

Deans either can&#039;t or won&#039;t deal with the stuff either.  The solution?  Private schools can suffer from SOME of this too.  Homeschooling is not always practical for everyone.  So I just don&#039;t know.

Society right now is at the bottom of it, and that is why government, laws, policy, etc. is what it is.  

The kids usually know what they should do though.  The problem is that no one &quot;holds a hammer over their heads.&quot;  The laws won&#039;t permit it.  I&#039;ve seen kids suddenly act extremely well though, when you&#039;d have thought they were completely dysfunctional basketcases.  The reason is that you expended an inordinate amount of energy to set them straight--but that&#039;s very difficult given the laws these days (it requires a certain amount of bluffing).  

I won&#039;t take on a classroom, be held responsible for its safety and order, and not be permitted to discipline the children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been subbing for years.  I&#8217;ve been offered my own clssroom.  I don&#8217;t want it.  I won&#8217;t take it.  Everyday I see what teachers down the hall go through.  Most of the time they&#8217;re probably not physically threatened.  But emotionally, they&#8217;re humiliated by kids half their size who verbally abuse them and do whatever they want.  Then the parents come up to school and want to know why the kids are acting up or not learning.  When the teacher tries to deal with the the problems, the parents come up and want to know why their kids are being picked on by the teacher.  It&#8217;s a catch 22 and a living hell. It&#8217;s easier to just bang your head against the wall.</p>
<p>Deans either can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t deal with the stuff either.  The solution?  Private schools can suffer from SOME of this too.  Homeschooling is not always practical for everyone.  So I just don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>Society right now is at the bottom of it, and that is why government, laws, policy, etc. is what it is.  </p>
<p>The kids usually know what they should do though.  The problem is that no one &#8220;holds a hammer over their heads.&#8221;  The laws won&#8217;t permit it.  I&#8217;ve seen kids suddenly act extremely well though, when you&#8217;d have thought they were completely dysfunctional basketcases.  The reason is that you expended an inordinate amount of energy to set them straight&#8211;but that&#8217;s very difficult given the laws these days (it requires a certain amount of bluffing).  </p>
<p>I won&#8217;t take on a classroom, be held responsible for its safety and order, and not be permitted to discipline the children.</p>
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		<title>By: robyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>robyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 20:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i couldnt agree with you more!!! i hated school - i learned everything worhtwhile when my mother taught me to read and my grandmother taught me math. i was younger than the other kids, and therefore a picked on person, in retaliation, i learned to bite. when you have kids holding your hands behind your back and the others punching you in the stomach - in 2nd grade i may add - you learn to do something to defend yourself. i was belittled and verbally abused in school and i learned great hiding places. if you didnt cause trouble, you were passed along with the others. cause trouble and you were flunked. i passed. i actually became a teacher and taught out of my old girl scout handbook as there were no science books - sure had the money for sports equipment though. i also learned that our reading level in schools is now between Togo and the Falkland Islands! there&#039;s about 1200 people on the falklands :P shows how great we are as a country! i homeschooled my daughter and she graduated at 14 1/2 yars and started college. she is now a QA engineer and had a ton of friends due to the freedom she had in homeschooling. this type of teaching is rather easy - the kid does most of the work and you can double dip - have them take a college course in english for highschool work for instance! i am so sorry that i wasnt able to have this for myself - i might be a somebody today! oh well, there&#039;s a poem tht starts off - i&#039;m nobody, who are you? i hope that you are nobody too! how horrid to be somebody...it goes on and i just remember this when i get a little down on myself!

thanks for a great website!

Robyn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i couldnt agree with you more!!! i hated school &#8211; i learned everything worhtwhile when my mother taught me to read and my grandmother taught me math. i was younger than the other kids, and therefore a picked on person, in retaliation, i learned to bite. when you have kids holding your hands behind your back and the others punching you in the stomach &#8211; in 2nd grade i may add &#8211; you learn to do something to defend yourself. i was belittled and verbally abused in school and i learned great hiding places. if you didnt cause trouble, you were passed along with the others. cause trouble and you were flunked. i passed. i actually became a teacher and taught out of my old girl scout handbook as there were no science books &#8211; sure had the money for sports equipment though. i also learned that our reading level in schools is now between Togo and the Falkland Islands! there&#8217;s about 1200 people on the falklands <img src='http://steve-olson.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  shows how great we are as a country! i homeschooled my daughter and she graduated at 14 1/2 yars and started college. she is now a QA engineer and had a ton of friends due to the freedom she had in homeschooling. this type of teaching is rather easy &#8211; the kid does most of the work and you can double dip &#8211; have them take a college course in english for highschool work for instance! i am so sorry that i wasnt able to have this for myself &#8211; i might be a somebody today! oh well, there&#8217;s a poem tht starts off &#8211; i&#8217;m nobody, who are you? i hope that you are nobody too! how horrid to be somebody&#8230;it goes on and i just remember this when i get a little down on myself!</p>
<p>thanks for a great website!</p>
<p>Robyn</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 19:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d recommend you, Mr. Olson,  spend some time in public schools.  It sounds as though you have been away from them for quite some time.  Things have changed in this setting; maybe we all want to consider why they have changed and what can we do to help.  Public schools are, after all, the foundation of American society.

While you may feel that your soul has been crushed, it appears that your &quot;government school&quot; has done its job in terms of preparing you for your adult life.  Although jaded, you are obviously able to think critically, analyze, and communicate via the written word.  It appears you also hold a job.  I&#039;d thank public education for that!

Public education is crumbling as parents are making the choice to have their kids educated elsewhere.  Schools are facing declining enrollment, particularly in Minneapolis, St. Paul, and their suburbs.  Declining enrollment equals less funding per school.  In Minnesota, most districts lose about $8,000 per kid.  Parents need to think long and hard before making the decision to send their kid to another school. What impact will it have on the school and what impact will that have on society?  The world is, in fact, larger than your family.

I&#039;ve spend numerous years in public schools and commend educators for the job they do.  I have yet to step into a classroom that has a &quot;one size fits all&quot; approach.  I see tasks differentiated as teachers spend countless hours in and out of school preparing several lessons for their students who have diverse needs.  I see teachers allowing students to move or have accomodations in the classroom that will allow them to be more successful.  I see kids learning how to interact as well as learning appropriate social skills and how to read social cues.  Teachers have found the need to teach many skills that used to be taught by parents.

What will the world look like with a failing public school system?  I sure don&#039;t want to find out.  It&#039;s time we look at how we can help to rebuild it.

I appreciate your honestly and thoughts regarding this topic.  However, writing complaints is the easy part especially when you sit outside of the world of public education.  Have you considered speaking with legislatures or obtaining a teaching degree?  Then you could truly do your part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d recommend you, Mr. Olson,  spend some time in public schools.  It sounds as though you have been away from them for quite some time.  Things have changed in this setting; maybe we all want to consider why they have changed and what can we do to help.  Public schools are, after all, the foundation of American society.</p>
<p>While you may feel that your soul has been crushed, it appears that your &#8220;government school&#8221; has done its job in terms of preparing you for your adult life.  Although jaded, you are obviously able to think critically, analyze, and communicate via the written word.  It appears you also hold a job.  I&#8217;d thank public education for that!</p>
<p>Public education is crumbling as parents are making the choice to have their kids educated elsewhere.  Schools are facing declining enrollment, particularly in Minneapolis, St. Paul, and their suburbs.  Declining enrollment equals less funding per school.  In Minnesota, most districts lose about $8,000 per kid.  Parents need to think long and hard before making the decision to send their kid to another school. What impact will it have on the school and what impact will that have on society?  The world is, in fact, larger than your family.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spend numerous years in public schools and commend educators for the job they do.  I have yet to step into a classroom that has a &#8220;one size fits all&#8221; approach.  I see tasks differentiated as teachers spend countless hours in and out of school preparing several lessons for their students who have diverse needs.  I see teachers allowing students to move or have accomodations in the classroom that will allow them to be more successful.  I see kids learning how to interact as well as learning appropriate social skills and how to read social cues.  Teachers have found the need to teach many skills that used to be taught by parents.</p>
<p>What will the world look like with a failing public school system?  I sure don&#8217;t want to find out.  It&#8217;s time we look at how we can help to rebuild it.</p>
<p>I appreciate your honestly and thoughts regarding this topic.  However, writing complaints is the easy part especially when you sit outside of the world of public education.  Have you considered speaking with legislatures or obtaining a teaching degree?  Then you could truly do your part.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 10:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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