“It has been said that whoever asks about our childhood wants to know something about our soul. Society must take time to inquire.” – Isa Helfield 2001
Let me bare my soul for you.
When you read about the problems with American education, you usually read statistics about literacy and dropout rates. But those statistics don’t do the subject justice because the problem with American education is a human story. Every dropout is a human being, every illiterate teenager is an individual, every teen that commits suicide was somebody’s baby, and every kid that’s doing 20 to life is a real breathing person – full of potential.
People are too quick to criticize parents, teachers, administrators, and students. The failure of government education isn’t theirs alone. It’s every American’s fault because we continue to allow the unrestrained growth of government schooling. Haven’t we learned anything from our own experiences in government schools?
At the end of this post, I will list some books on this subject, followed by a list of links about this subject. But before that, I will share some thoughts and stories that expose the American K-12 meat grinder.
The Girl Who Sat in a Bathroom Stall for a Year
My wife is a beautiful, capable, intelligent, self-confident, ambitious, entrepreneurial woman. She had all these qualities as a child as well. During her senior year of high school, she spent her lunch hour hiding in a bathroom stall. She didn’t eat lunch for a year. Why? Because no one sat with her in the lunchroom and sitting alone in a bathroom stall ashamed and frightened was better than public humiliation. Don’t think that she is an isolated case, she isn’t. I just stumbled across this last week.
For a significant percentage of kids in our government school system, survival is the only goal. Based on my experience, I’d guess 10 to 20% of government school students suffer from severe psychological and emotional abuse. Smaller percentages suffer physical and sexual abuse.
My wife and I both describe our years in the government school system as a prison sentence. My wife kept a running countdown of days left in government school, like chicken scratches in a prison cell.
I asked her to write a blog post about her experiences with government education, but she won’t do it because thinking about it is too painful and depressing. She describes it with one simple word – horrible.
My wife and I were in the same grade and attended the same Jr. and Sr. High in Bloomington Minnesota from 1981 – 1987. We didn’t know each other when we were students. During our school years I had no idea she existed. She was ‘a nobody’.
I would have been ‘a nobody’ too, but I decided after 18 months inside that I wasn’t going to allow the public education caste system to brand me ‘a nobody’ and I became a highly visible renegade burnout. She knew about me. In her yearbook she wrote “biggest dirtball druggie in the whole school” next to my picture. She said the only time I communicated with her during those six years was when I bumped into her in the hall and growled at her like an animal.
Now before you jump to the conclusion that we were in a rotten school in a poor school district and had screwed up parents, let me set the record straight. During the 1980s, Minnesota had the #1 or #2 educational system in the US (they still do). Within Minnesota, Bloomington was one of the top two school districts in the state. The schools we attended (Olson Jr. High and Jefferson Sr. High) were the best schools in the district. So our example comes from the best of the best of the best government schools in the United States. We both came from Beaver Cleaver families, with adequate income, no divorce, abuse, or family violence.
My wife and I have talked about our negative experiences for eighteen years and neither of us believes we learned anything of value within the system. Everything worth knowing we learned outside of school.
I used to skip school and sit in the public library and read all day. I have an insatiable desire to learn but I couldn’t learn in school. The political, social, and sexual tension in school was too distracting.
I was born with this intense desire to learn and grow, but sometime in the second grade, school became an obstacle to learning. I felt thwarted at every turn by fellow students, teachers, and meaningless assignments. It’s hard to learn when you are constantly afraid of having your head flushed in the toilet.
The 10-Year Old College Prodigy
My father is an autodidact engineer. We had computers (TRS-80) and teletypes in our home since 1977. I taught myself to program Level II Basic at eight years old. By 10, I was hacking into commercial programs to improve them. By 11, I was enrolled and succeeding in college level programming classes at North Dakota State University.
Junior High Computer Class Failure
Two years later in Jr. High, I took an Apple II computer class. On the first day of class, I looked through the syllabus, found the last lesson, loaded the 5 1/4 inch floppy, and completed it. I beamed with pride and arrogance. The teacher looked at my program, turned bright red, yanked me out of my seat by my ear, and I fell to the floor humiliated. He pointed to the door and said, “get out of my classroom.” He forced me to sit in the hall the rest of the semester and failed me.
I didn’t complain to my parents or the administration, because they never listened before, so I had no reason to believe they would listen this time. That day ended my stint in education – I showed up – sometimes – but I never returned mentally. So even though I have a diploma, it’s fair to say my formal education ended in the 8th grade. I never bothered trying to please the system again and I checked out of programming and computers for 15 years. I contracted a 15 year case of the F*ck Its (A term my brother learned in AA for an attitude that leads people to fall off the wagon).
This single event didn’t push me over the edge. It was years of institutionalization and constant emotional, psychological, and physical harassment. From 2nd to 8th grade, I was harassed for having the wrong haircut, the wrong jeans, the wrong belt, the wrong look on my face, the wrong brothers, the wrong parents, and the wrong attitude. The harassment ended in 8th grade when I fought back violently. It worked, earning me a lasting respect. At the time, I believed it was my only viable option.
I spent most of my life believing I was defective
I believed I was defective until recently. I thought the reason I couldn’t function in school was due to some inherent incurable defect. But in my thirties, I discovered that I wasn’t defective, I was just different. Three years ago I read this article from Josh Shaine at MIT and it changed my life. His story was just like mine (except the expensive prep school part).
Government school doesn’t work well for kids that are different
I know there are oodles of success stories from government schools. I understand the system works great for some people. But what if you aren’t one of those people? What if your spirit won’t allow you to follow directions? What if your heart forces you to be different? Then what?
Why are you throwing your life away?
If you conform, the system rewards you. If you rebel, it destroys you and someone in authority will inevitably ask you this question…
Why are you throwing your life away?
Think about the implication of that question. Your body and soul in the back of a garbage truck on the way to the dump.
I’m not angry or bitter
You may think I sound bitter about all this. I’m not. I am grateful for my experience because I believe it’s my purpose in life to tell these stories. I am never going to stop talking about it. The emotional abuse of children in our government schools is shameful and the story must be told.
The Intergenerational Code of Silence
Few kids tell adults what really goes on within the school building. Did you? When you finally got out of school and went to college or work, most of you wanted to forget about the place.
A famous comedian said “you know who scares the sh!t outta’ me? Those f..king people that liked high school. What are they sadists – masochists – what the f… Did they go to the same freaking place I did?”
When we have children, we don’t want to tell them about our experiences, because if we told them the truth – the horror stories and the wasted time – we’re afraid they’ll use it as an excuse to fail. Besides, if you admitted the truth about your experiences, how could you justify putting them on the yellow bus every morning.
Is it just part of growing up?
When I talk to people about this, most don’t want to hear it. And the most frequent response is, “Everything you’re talking about is just a normal part of growing up.”
Emotional abuse and self-denial is not normal childhood development.
There is nothing normal about enduring years of emotional, psychological, and physical abuse in a government institution. I have met dozens of home-schooled kids and they don’t suffer from these problems. When I talk to them, they stand upright, look me in the eye, and speak confidently. Many of the government-schooled kids I meet won’t look me in the eye. They hang their heads and speak in muffled tones I can’t understand. Many of them act like abused puppies. The contrast is astonishing.
What’s normal about a homely awkward girl walking into the lunchroom and hearing three hundred kids chant her name, “Trina, Trina, Trina, Trina, Trina, Trina, Trina,” until she breaks down sobbing and runs from the lunchroom? I saw it and I am sad to say I participated in it.
Things are Different Today – Yep – It’s Worse
When my sons were born, I wanted to believe that things were different today, and I discovered that they’re worse. I met a local mother with teenagers several months ago while I was anguishing over what to do with my son’s education. I asked if her kids were in the local public school district (which has an outstanding reputation). She said, “We pulled ‘em out. It was horrible.” I prodded her for more information. She spent most of her nights with her kids trying to correct the damage done at school earlier in the day. She said there was a lack of basic decency and respect throughout the institution.
She said the students intentionally elected an obese, awkward girl as homecoming queen as a joke. Funny huh?
Her kids said that racism was so rampant that life was intolerable. Racism is something I didn’t have to deal with. Sure racism was there, but there wasn’t any racial conflict. I’ve read racial conflict is a constant problem in many of today’s government schools.
About a year ago, while I was planning my writing projects, I contacted my 12th Grade English teacher. He was one of the few teachers that treated me like a free spirit instead of a caged animal. He was one of those teachers that fought the status-quo, and I respect him for it. I asked him what had changed about his students over the past 25 years. This is a paraphrased summary of what he said:
Critical thinking skills have been absent from my classes for years. Kids used to read the book “Catcher in the Rye” and then describe what Holden Caulfield meant to them. Today, they read it and expect me to teach them what it means. Not just most kids, all kids. I haven’t seen a critical thinker in my classroom in five years.
The top students learn the system. If they are free thinkers, they hide it, because they’re after top grades and independent thinking is too risky and unpredictable.
What’s different today is the nature of the mediocre and poor students. They don’t confront and challenge us like they used to. They seem brain dead and indifferent.
Our zero tolerance policies have created a larger gulf between the students and us. From the late sixties until the mid-nineties, the students and their culture were somewhat accessible. Today they completely shut us out.
The Poisonous Pedagogy
Yesterday my 4 year old son asked, “You never say no to a teacher, right dad?” I asked where he heard that. His Montessori pre-school teacher said it. This is an example of what Alice Miller calls the Poisonous Pedagogy. I didn’t answer my son’s question directly. But I believe we should teach our children to question authority and refuse to follow blindly. I plan to talk to the teacher and the administrator of the school. I realize the need for an orderly classroom, but she can maintain control without demanding blind obedience.
The Gifted and Talented
We have a new label in our schools called – Gifted and Talented. I believe everyone is gifted and talented, so I don’t care for the label, but… The gifted child learns advanced material earlier than the mean. And they have strengths and weaknesses like everyone else. They tend to be highly emotional and in some ways, it is a social and learning disability. Patricia A. Schuler writes about the high risk facing this group of kids. She quotes the triggers as “lack of intimacy and rejection.” So these kids need intimacy and acceptance? Does anyone believe they’ll find these qualities in our government schools? I don’t.
What is the solution?
So let’s say you agree that government school may be the worst possible place for kids to learn. Then what is the solution?
Is it private religious schools?
No. Most of the above problems are present in the parochial schools – especially large ones. The biggest benefit the parochial school offers is the ability to easily remove abusive kids and teachers. But the smart covert tormenters will survive. The larger the institution, the harder it is to expose them.
Can we reform the existing system, minimizing these problems?
No. As long as you put hundreds or thousands of kids in a large government institution, the Lord of the Flies scenario is inevitable. Institutionalizing large numbers of children before they form a moral foundation will always lead to abuse.
Possible solutions:
How is the Post Related to Personal Freedom?
My personal development program directly attacks the fears I learned during my stint in government school.
My personal development program also attacks this belief which is clearly taught within our government schools.
This is an extremely damaging belief that I work hard to eradicate. As long as I continue to look outside myself for validation, I will be dependent and addicted.
A little controversy
A post over at ww-success.com cites the statistic that only 18 out of 100 American high school freshmen will earn a college degree within six years of graduating from high school. He goes on to cite statistics that show the relationship between education and income. I don’t dispute either of these statistics. He then makes the argument that the economic future of our nation depends on increasing the percentage of students that graduate from college. Based on our current system, he’s right.
But why do we need to keep this system? Our current government schooling system causes this problem. It’s designed so 20% rise to the top and the rest fall out to the factory floor. We have an antiquated system designed to supply labor to an industrial economy that doesn’t exist anymore.
As a society, shouldn’t we question how we discriminate between job applicants?
“one of the best programmers I ever hired had only a High School degree; he’s produced a lot of great software, has his own news group, and through stock options is no doubt much richer than I’ll ever be.” – Peter Norvig in Teach Yourself Programming in Ten Years
Test taking is the most valuable skill you can posses in school
My brother-in-law is a doctor and a successful student. He says that test taking is the most important skill necessary to succeed in college. I know he’s right. But what does that say about college? Who’s going to pay anyone to take a test? What does a test measure? It measures your ability to memorize stuff. Who is paid to memorize stuff? Actors? Pilots? I don’t know. I’ve never been paid to memorize stuff.
The most valuable skill you can possess in life
The most valuable skill you can possess is the ability to acquire useful knowledge and apply it to solve real problems. Once you own this skill, you have all the education you’ll ever need.
More History and Background
An Irish commenter on Reddit asked if American government schools are as insane as they are portrayed in movies and TV.
No, the stuff you see on TV and most movies is mild. The only two movies I’ve seen that come close to modern American youth culture are Kids (Warning – This Movie is Extremely Disturbing) and Over the Edge. But the last twenty minutes of Over the Edge isn’t accurate – but everything before they burn down the school is an exact time capsule of American youth culture in the late seventies and early eighties.
How I became so passionate about this subject
Since my first son was born in 2002, I’ve gone through a 4-year period of growth, healing, and introspection. His birth changed me forever. His birth got me asking questions about how my life became what it became. One of the things I needed to know was where all these crazy insecurities and fears came from. I looked to my parents and I think some of it came from them, but not most of it. I wasn’t born with these crazy fears. I joined 12 step programs. I dug into self-help books. I immersed myself in the work of Jung. But I never found the root cause of the baggage until I found this book – The Underground History of American Education. I read the online version here. After reading the book, I saw reality through a new lens. My life made sense again. I don’t agree with everything in the book, but about 70% of it directly applied to my educational experience.
I was also terrified after reading this book. People are going to think I’m nuts if I talk about it. What am I going to do about my kid’s education? Am I going to home school them? What am I going to do? I was flummoxed.
My wife and I had discussions over several nights and we decided that we would do anything legal to keep them out of government school.
But I still question the decision because I want my sons to be ‘normal.’ If I send them to some alternative school, will they hate me? If I homeschool them, how will they learn to pick up girls? Will my neighbors think I’m a freak? Constant questions enter my mind.
I’ll share the results of our journey on this blog as it progresses. So subscribe to my RSS feed for easy updates. If you don’t have RSS, get my feed via email.
Trust the people, give them choices, and the school nightmare will vanish in a generation. – John Taylor Gatto
Read the 10 part series on the 10 things I wish I had never believed:
#1 Why People Believe Money is the Root of All Evil
#2 Why Getting a Good Job isn’t the Best Way to Earn Money
#3 The Secret Great Leaders Know About Emotions
#4 Success is 99% Failure
#5 10 Tips to Secure a Management Position without a College Degree
#6 Always Question Your Doctor – Three Stories Why
#7 How the Public School System Crushes Souls
#9 Give Me 3 Minutes and I’ll Make you a Better Decision Maker
Book List:
Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling
A Different Kind of Teacher: Solving the Crisis of American Schooling
Guerrilla Learning: How to Give Your Kids a Real Education With or Without School
The Teenage Liberation Handbook: How to Quit School and Get a Real Life and Education
Homeschooling Our Children Unschooling Ourselves
The Unschooling Handbook : How to Use the Whole World As Your Child’s Classroom
The Unprocessed Child: Living Without School
Not Much Just Chillin’: The Hidden Lives of Middle Schoolers
Odd Girl Out: The Hidden Culture of Aggression in Girls
Links:
Students Dropping Out of High School Reaches Epidemic Levels
Public Schools are Killing Democracy
How to bring schools into 21st century
1.1 Million Homeschooled Students in the United States in 2003
285 Responses
Alan
December 12th, 2006 at 4:13 pm
1Picking up girls is an innate skill. This is only obscured by government schooling.
You can see this in the fact that humans have a mating dance we’re totally unaware of. Researchers have identified several key stages, and I’ve subsequently observed myself, (with irony,) going through them, totally subconsciously.
There is -some- refinement of the process, but you sure aren’t going to get any in a government school.
Since you’re dealing with insecurities, I’d suggest disregarding any neighbour disapproval. Seriously, it’s not their business. But I suspect you’re aware of that already.
In short, do what you want, don’t worry.
Josh Kaufman
December 12th, 2006 at 5:40 pm
2BRAVO!!!
Steve, this is the among best writing I’ve seen on the realities of government education. Hats off for sharing your experiences so candidly.
Education and educational reform are subjects that are near and dear to my heart. I was fortunate – I went to a very small school, was good at test-taking, and my enthusiasm for learning kept the assignments tolerable, but not as engaging as I’d have liked them to have been. I made up for it by overloading my schedule to keep me interested, mostly with extracurriculars and music. (Habitually overloading myself is a habit I’ve had to learn to break.)
My father was a long-time elementary teacher turned administrator, so I’ve had the opportunity to observe the workings of public school systems for most of my childhood. It’s really ugly – mismanagement of resources, internal power struggles, and cronyism. Dad went into administration because it was the only real way to increase my family’s standard of living, and he hated it. He loved (and loves) interacting with the kids, and that’s the only reason he kept at it.
There are precious few teachers who have the ability and interest to really help their students learn – I’ve had a few, and they’ve impacted me more than they know. The remaining majority are content to push disconnected facts down kids’ throats in an effort to improve proficiency test results, which have become one of the primary ways government schools are evaluated as a part of the “No Child Left Behind” act. Instead of teaching students how to discover, research, experiment, and think critically, the vast majority of educators in government schools explicitly “teach to the test”. Incentives are powerful forces.
There’s also the theory that schools aren’t meant to educate; they’re meant to serve as a holding place (or part-time prison) where people can keep their kids while they go to work. (See Paul Graham’s “Why Nerds Are Unpopular” at http://paulgraham.com/nerds.html)
The long and short of the situation is that education is not the government’s business in a free society. You’re correct that compulsory government educational systems reward unquestioning obedience to authority: they were designed that way in the early 1800s, when Prussia made government-controlled education compulsory (as a precursor to compulsory military service), made examination necessary for graduation, and required a diploma for university and civil service. The model was later copied by the US. (See “Education: Free and Compulsory” by Murray Rothbard at http://www.mises.org/story/2226). Without the flexibility to adapt to the needs of students and the market incentive to do so, public education will continue to remain ill-suited to meet real world educational needs.
One last note of interest: I’m finding day-to-day life in a large public corporation very much like high school in many ways. “My happiness and success are dependent on another person’s evaluation of me and my performance” is unfortunately par for the course. I don’t think the similarity is a coincidence.
Henry Cate
December 12th, 2006 at 7:21 pm
3Good post. You made many good points. I enjoyed your list of books. You might add these two books:
“Inside American Education” by Thomas Sowell
Dr. Sowell does a great job of listing dozens, maybe hundreds, of problems with education in America. The first hundred pages cover K-12. I think at least half of the parents who read the first hundred pages would pull their children from public school.
The Well-Trained Mind: A Guide to Classical Education at Home by Jessie Wise and Susan Wise Bauer
Mother and daughter explain how to get an excellent education. I love the list of resources. Who knew you could get Elvis’ greatest hits in Latin.
Steve
December 12th, 2006 at 8:06 pm
4Josh,
Thanks for the comment. I’m glad you like the post.
It surprises me how many people close to the system – condemn the system. I once saw a statistic that showed the percentage of government school teachers that have their kids in private schools. I also saw a statistic on the number of politicians that have their kids in private schools. I wasn’t able to find the stat for this article. But I recall the number was staggering. Well over 50%… I think.
Thanks for being part of this site,
Best wishes to you and your family,
Steve
Steve
December 12th, 2006 at 8:16 pm
5Alan,
I’m not really afraid of looking like a freak to my neighbors. One way or another I’ve been a freak my whole life, so why change now:-) But that demon does speak in my head from time to time. That was my point.
I also wrote that because I want those that have kids in public school to know that I empathize with them. I want my kids to fit in. I think it is a basic human desire to fit in.
The girl thing does concern me. I have a while before I need to deal with that though. I know it is an innate male trait… but experience around the opposite sex must be important. If my two boys were home-schooled for 12 years, most of their contact with a female would only be their mother. I guess I don’t know if that’s healthy. At the surface, it seems odd. That’s all.
Steve
December 12th, 2006 at 9:00 pm
6Henry,
I love Thomas Sowell. He’s a fantastic man. I will add his book.
The thing I love the most about Thomas Sowell is that he is free thinker. I don’t agree with everything he says, but he thinks outside the mainstream which I love.
Steve
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Sam
December 13th, 2006 at 5:46 pm
8I am a 13 year old boy and have homeschooled all my life. One thing you could do is check your area for a homeschool group. Where I live there is a homeschool group with almost 100 member’s that meet’s once a week. That’s a great way for your children to meet people. Also in our group we consider the people in it to be normal at “school kids” to be weird. Heh I hope this helped.
-Samuel
Troy
December 14th, 2006 at 2:06 pm
9You’ve got to do what’s right by your kids. The neighbors aren’t going to help you fix the problem the schools create, so their approval doesn’t matter. We started homeschooling eight years ago and took abuse over it like you couldn’t imagine. Some of those same people that equated homeschooling to child abuse have now said to us “We’re sorry, we didn’t realize how bad the schools had gotten. You did the right thing.”
Where we live in Oklahoma, homeschooling isn’t considered weird any more. I think some of us in the earlier part of the modern homeschooling wave gave some others the courage to do what needed to be done. While eight years ago we very rarely saw people out with their school-aged kids in the middle of the day, it’s a regular thing now. Oklahoma is also the only state where homeschooling is in the state constitution. It’s the friendliest state for homeschoolers.
Pat
December 14th, 2006 at 2:49 pm
10My brother and sister-in-law homeschooled all 5 of their kids. They still are in a lot of activities that keeps them social – scouts, sports, music groups, etc. I think the school system has to let them be in some of their activities too. So I would not worry about your son not learning to pick up girls. My brother’s oldest has a girlfriend now. The two oldest are in college. The homeschooling didn’t seem to hurt their chances for college any.
Dr Proulx
December 14th, 2006 at 3:18 pm
11I worked for three years in a Public School system in New Hampshire.
I remember thinking one day, that it had been 25 years since I was in the 7th grade. And I thought of all the things that have happened in the last 25 years:
1. Music went from vinyl and 8 track, to cassette, to CD, and now digital.
2. Computers went from maybe 100 in the whole world, to at least 1 in each household.
3. Getting cash from ATM machines was impossible.
4. Cell phones? Not in existence.
You could go on and on! And I thought, 25 years ago, in Science Class, a lesson was comprised of text books, a handout, maybe an overhead, some lecturing from the teacher, and maybe a movie.
That day, the teacher began the lesson, and it was from the textbook, some lecturing, some handouts she had copied, and some overheads.
Astonishing that in 25 years, everything had changed radically. Yet inside a classroom, time had pretty much stood still.
Curt
December 14th, 2006 at 3:27 pm
12I think you tend to defeat your own argument in several places here. You site two specific examples that completely refute your argument: 1) You site and article by Josh Shaine at MIT that talks about private school. 2) You tell a story about the negative experiences of your son in private school (“The Poisonous Pedagogy”).
I think that your thesis is more about education in general than government education specifically. I’m no great fan of mammoth public schools, but it seems that you have more of an ax to grind than a point to make.
Toward the end of the article, you speak against this statement: “My happiness and success are dependent on another person’s evaluation of me and my performance”, calling it an “extremely damaging belief”. We humans are social beings. Our evaluations and cooperation with each other are vital to our success, our happiness. Certainly, your experience has in some ways damaged your desire to be evaluated, and perhaps to cooperate, but that doesn’t diminish eons of human cooperative effort toward the current success of our species. Our efforts should be pointed toward our most effective cooperation, not throwing it away because one might be mad about things that happened during the most hormonal, confusing time of our lives.
In the end, your three possible solutions have one common theme: small schools. Rather than throw out an entire system, why not use your experience to improve it? The large size of public schools (which you seem to love to disparage with the term “government schools”) is one of their main problems. We have sacrificed close supervision for the love of things like large administrations and football teams.
Without guaranteed public education, huge swaths of our society will be left out in the cold and we will become the laughing stocks of the planet. It can be made better, but not if we vilify it and burn it to the ground. Why not make it better? Why not use your experience to help it instead of hurt it? Small schools are a huge improvement over what we have now. It’s a start and it’s inclusive. Why turn away from each other into our own little silos when we can work together and come up with solutions that benefit everybody instead of the handful of people who can afford your beloved private education?
You have good things to say. But you are wrong about one point: You ARE angry. Very angry. I’m not saying that you’re not justified in your anger. But it screams through your writing. Confront your anger. Learn from it. The world could use your perspective.
Joshua
December 14th, 2006 at 3:35 pm
13We can see school destroyed you if you were indeed a programmer at 8 since now you’re using WordPress, probably on a Mac (I didn’t read far enough to find out).
Fred
December 14th, 2006 at 3:38 pm
14I went through school as ‘a total nobody’. All my efforts went toward trying to be invisible. I was insecure and afraid. However, I don’t look for sympathy, and I don’t point fingers at the system. It was painful at the time, but looking back, I realize it was very productive and even motivational.
My whole motivation during high-school was to graduate so I could get started on a ‘real life’. The ‘cool kids’, the ones I felt inferior to, in my school were motivated to continue their same lifestyle. They were actually afraid of the future, while I couldn’t wait to get started. They’re still living in the past (twenty years later), talking about their ‘glory days’.
The public school system has tons of problems, but parents should help their kids fix their own problems, not point fingers at the system.
Joshua
December 14th, 2006 at 3:39 pm
15Just kidding. Nice article
Joshua
December 14th, 2006 at 3:55 pm
16I wish I wasn’t such a failure
Anonymous
December 14th, 2006 at 3:55 pm
17I understand how it feels like to be ostracized at public school too. When I emigrated to the USA as a teenager, I had to learn to fit into a new culture I was completely unfamiliar with; I was truly a stranger in a strange land. But I got out of the system, with many dings and bumps, because of one thing and one thing only: how my parents brought me up. I think that instead of coddling children and blaming a system that isn’t perfect, we should look inwards and strive to prepare our children for these kinds of eventualities, not only in the wonder years, but beyond into the highly vicious corporate world as well.
anonymous coward
December 14th, 2006 at 4:15 pm
18why public schools do not work: it all boils down to money. What do you expect for the salaries teachers make? are you the type of guy that yells at the 15 yro kid at the local mickeyd’s cause your order is messed up? well if you are, you shouldn’t, i mean, what do you expect for minimum wage, you get the minimum, which does not necessarily mean the correct order. well the same applies for teachers. i know in nj/ny area, garbage men make more then public school teachers. with that said, what do you think the quality of public education is?
with regards to your first junior high failure, think of this. for those that can’t do, teach
so you have this teacher, who designs a fundemental computer science class to the best of their limited and minimum wage ability. you walk in on your first day, with faaaaaar superior skillz, and you demonstrate those skills. if your skills are representative of the class, then you could have possibly put this teacher out of a job (ineffective/inadequate plan for the year). or maybe it was your arrogance (as an 12 yro, i know). either way, to the teacher, in the teacher’s eyes, you are a threat, to the teachers ego, ability, etc…
the junior high teacher did not react properly to your ‘early completion’ of the class. A better teacher would either a) advise you to stay with the class, b) address your issues seperrately with more advanced problems, c)??? either way, the teacher was wrong. but what do you expect for minimum wage?
another thing to think of, these public school teachers who work for their entire life to teach children see children like you and know you will make more in your first year then they do in 10. it must suck to be forced to be a teacher. the one’s who really love the job because you can mold young minds should be applauded, your junior high teacher shold be confronted.
Russ Jones
December 14th, 2006 at 4:20 pm
19Maybe I lucked out.
I attended schools in some of the lowest quality districts (deep south Alabama), highest quality districts (Rockville, MD) and middle-of-the-road (Eastern North Carolina).
My education, in all my estimations, was wonderful. I was not “popular” and was, by all regards, nerdy or geeky. From math competitions to Quiz Bowl, I actively participated in the things most people consider social death sentences.
This was not, however, the case. Friendship seemed easy to come by, regardless being a christian or white minority in the latter two school systems.
I graduated high school with 48 hours of college credit, and earned a full scholarship to UNC Chapel Hill – as did both my brothers who also solely attended public schools.
I recognize, however, that I am an exceptional case like yourself. I imagine few people feel as strongly about their experience in public education as you or I. However, I do disagree with you that reform is not possible.
Public charter and magnet schools are a fantastic solution. These smaller, community-driven institutions offer the same benefits and openness of public education while catering to the particular needs of students with varying characteristics and interests. While folks like myself can attend the “big-bad” high school, folks like you can attend the charter school that more particularly meets your needs.
I do disagree, however, that private schools offer strong alternative. In my own research, I have found that charter schools offer far fewer options than public schools when it comes to learning opportunities. The best private school in my district taught four languages: french, english, latin, spanish. My school taught those plus japanese, german, chinese and portuguese. The private school had 7 available AP courses. I took 7 courses my senior year alone. Luckily, my school offered 16 different AP courses. We had football, they did not. We had a swimming pool, they did not.
The problem with public school, in my honest opinion, (sorry to say this folks) are students and parents. The opportunities are there. Why spend a lunch break in a bathroom. Find a club, like the yearbook, and go work on it with other year book students at that time. Do you honestly believe that there was not 1 person at the school who felt similarly alone, who would die for interaction? or at least edit some silly photos. Sorry for the rant there at the end, you certainly experienced some frustrating behavior by teachers which have no place in any system. You would have been well placed in a public magnet school, where your creativity and technological abilities would have been encouraged and grown.
rchf
December 14th, 2006 at 4:28 pm
20Steve – you nailed it. Not just for public school, many private schools are this way as well, social cagefights where the learning loses to toadying and conformity. It is the perfect preparation for college – guess correctly what your peers and your teachers want and you succeed. Keep your head down and you can do what you are told for the rest of your life.
No wonder many of our Nobel Laureates are immigrants.
Paul
December 14th, 2006 at 4:30 pm
21I enjoyed your article. My wife and I have the mutual feeling that government education was a waste of our time. Our government school ‘social’ experiences were luckily pretty mild compared to yours and your wife’s though. We hope to be able to set up or join some sort of community based school for our kids when they’re old enough.
I went to a poor, evenly racially mixed (about 1/4 each of white, black, hispanic, and other) school in north Texas. Educationally, it was just another government school; On my own I learn more in a month than I learned in four years of high school. Socially, all the groups that formed kept to themselves. There was no ‘normal’ there. I always felt lucky to be there; I knew the horrors that I would have to go through if I was stuck amongst average middle class kids.
On girls – I was worried about this too, until I read your article. I’ve thought about it, and I think I could have done without my high school girlfriend experiences. Heck, I thought of them as ‘practice relationships’ at the time. Even with my experience, I was shaking uncontrolably with nervousness the night I asked my wife out for the first time. What mattered was my initiative, patience, and ability to compromise. Practice had nothing to do with it.
Samuel – I was really glad to read what you had to say. You probably write better at 13 than I did when I started college. I just couldn’t get myself to write in the rigid, brain dead structure they forced on me so that I could pass the standardized tests. Once I freed myself from those constraints, I learned how much I loved to write. I don’t want to subject my kids to such pointless conformity, and it’s neat to see the effects.
George Barlow
December 14th, 2006 at 4:37 pm
22It took me many years to figure out why my school days were so awry. Since a kid I had a passion & talent for electronics. In fifth grade I found out that when I got into high school, they had a class in electronics. For the next five years I looked forward to getting into that class. When I was finally face to face with three hours a day of electronics, the joy was quickly dashed. After a few days of class (which I enjoyed greatly), I was suddenly and without any real explanation, kicked out of the class.
Finally, a couple of decades later, I found out why. The teacher’s grasp of the subject was poor (he couldn’t even fix a TV if it required more than swapping tubes), and he had a policy of kicking out any student that was going to be “trouble”.
That left me sitting in the office for three hours a day, then getting dumped into special ed (slow class), then being told to “stay home”. Which was where I learned best anyway.
So despite my creative talent in electronics, I eventually found myself repairing televisions for a living, as I can’t get hired for much of anything better without those all-important degrees in test-taking.
Skill & talent have little market value, it seems, even though I’ve been known to solve problems in ways that leave degreed engineers saying “that can’t work” while seeing it work.
Only recently have I understood a possible way to approach the difficulty of finding employement in the field I’m suited for. Meanwhile I did have many treasured life experiences, so the intervening years haven’t been exactly wasted.
Now that I have kids in school, I have been watching out for trouble spots with them, and have so far been seeing them acquire honor roll status, while maintaining their creativity and slightly rebel natures. Hopefully my hard-earned knowledge will help them get by easier. Reading about other people’s experiences helps in this goal.
Kent
December 14th, 2006 at 4:38 pm
23Steve,
I have read this and found it to be exceptionally valuable in expressing the truths people need to become aware of, and act on. I am the International coordinator of a non profit, which was, at the start, for alternatives to public school. In May of 2003 it became More focused on Natural, autonomous learning, often referred to as Unschooling. It is called Altlearn Map Network.
The goals are very similar to yours, but the horror of government schools is not confined to the USA. At least there, options are easier to actualize.
I am in The Netherlands, Europe where education and government official do everything possible to prohibit the options. We, AMN are in the process of a project to publish ‘Teenage Liberation Handbook’, by Grace Llewellyn worldwide. I’d really like to hear from you.
Kent
December 14th, 2006 at 4:42 pm
24Steve,
I have read this and found it to be exceptionally valuable in expressing the truths people need to become aware of, and act on. I am the International coordinator of a non profit, which was, at the start, for alternatives to public school. In May of 2003 it became More focused on Natural, autonomous learning, often referred to as Unschooling. It is called Altlearn Map Network.
The goals are very similar to yours, but the horror of government schools is not confined to the USA. At least there, options are easier to actualize.
I am in The Netherlands, Europe where education and government official do everything possible to prohibit the options. We, AMN are in the process of a project to publish ‘Teenage Liberation Handbook’, by Grace Llewellyn worldwide. I’d really like to hear from you.
Christina
December 14th, 2006 at 4:45 pm
25As a home educator of both a 20 and a 3 year old, all I have to say is yes, home educate! As an educator of “troubled” children, all I have to say is a combination of Unschooling, Montessori, Waldorf, Mindful Parenting, Attachment Parenting and Non-Violent Communication is the stuff which guarentees you’ll never be unemployed.
I sincerely appreciate this very thoughtful blog. You’ve said something that I – as a writer – have been struggling with for years. And if home education is not an option and you can re-locate….here is a school which offers the perfect cocktail of all the theories mentioned above. http://www.antiochschool.org. Failing that, I suggest buying the book…”Children of a Child-Centered School.” I use it as a constant reference and source of inspiration everyday – in my classrooms and at home with my 3 year old.
I’m not currently affiliated with them. My 20 year old attended there until I had to move out of the area. Because it was perfect – I ended up home educating (and building a Waldorf Cooperative which became a full fledged school. BTW – I regret founding a Steiner school now that I know more about the racist underpinnings.) We mainstreamed the firstborn after leaving the Waldorf School.
My daughter resented the utopia in which I immersed her. Did she nag, criticize and yell at me about the way she “had to teach herself to be a “back-stabbing, petty, bitch” just to survive the time we mainstreamed her into private and public schools? Yes! Did she have the skills necessary to teach herself “how to be a back-stabbing, petty bitch”? Yes! Did she eventually reject that way of being? Yes! She capitalized on self-directed research to establish herself as her school’s Queen Bee. (But she did it within the confines of our family values. She re-invented what popular meant – to be strong, insightful, intelligent, and critical of the consumerism of pop-culture.)
So – all in all – you’ve got the right idea. But, parenting always involves being the bad guy – 65% of the time. They only begin thanking you for your conscious investment in their growth at around 20….more frequently after they’ve had their own children.
Kattana
December 14th, 2006 at 4:48 pm
26You really do not need to be concerned with your boys ‘picking up’ girls, assuming you raise them to be good people and capable of socializing they will be fine. Frankly the popularity contest that is high school is the worst place to learn about the opposite sex.
If you must do something then encourage them to get involved in groups and out in society doing things they enjoy, that is the right way to meet people. You said yourself you did not meet your wife until after high school, if they meet someone they will make it work.
Now I myself am an autodidact(and unschooler) but I did try high school for 3 years, so keep that in mind as an option, although I am not sure if I would recommend it.
I started out at the top of the class the first year and went downhill /fast/ from there despite it being a very good school. The system and control kills any motivation to learn, there are too many distractions, too many hoops to jump through, too much kowtowing to authority figures without merit.
Think of the other students that were in your school, is that what you want your boys to have as peers, to model themselves after. Is that better than perhaps being a little socially awkward until they get out into the real world, or do you think you can give them a good enough moral foundation to resist the influence. As long as you keep them out you have many options open to you and can change your mind, you will have lots of time along the way so figure it out with them.
Steve
December 14th, 2006 at 4:48 pm
27I went to a public school (not in the US), and it was more tedious and frustrating than miserable and terrifying. You were encouraged to just write essays so that all the keywords the examiners were looking for were included, rather than actually thinking about what you were writing.
However regarding your comments about home schoolers being ‘normal’, all the people I know who are home schooled seemed a little different. A little oblivious to certain social situations, for example, even in their 20′s.
Chuck
December 14th, 2006 at 4:55 pm
28My experience was a little different from yours but, my reaction was similar to yours. I was in public school from 1959-1971. My family barely had enough money for necessities so I was never dressed as well as the others and I never visited the cool places others did on vacations. I found out real early how similar pity and contempt are. I was also the smartest kid in class and learned things in half the time it took others so I was always bored. I told my parents this in second or third grade and my parents and teacher petitioned the school administration to let me skip a grade. As you can guess, that was just not allowed.
Other events in elementary school illustrated that I was smarter than some of my teachers. From then on I tried to concentrate on sports because I was a pretty good athlete. However, that ambition was frustrated as well because my teachers discovered that I could draw and would override any elective choices I made forcing me into arts classes but, the arts teachers were not artists so I learned nothing in those classes.
In junior high school I finally found a way out by cutting school and hanging out with the hoodlums and bad-asses. Pretty soon all the kids in school included me in that group but, the teachers did not because I was still making good grades without even trying. They kept forcing me into advanced classes that were not very different from the regular classes because I was still learning more on my own than from the teachers.
So I applied myself to being the best hoodlum I could and cutting school whenever possible. It got to the point that I hardly showed up more than 1 or 2 days a week and I was still passing. This continued until high school. Finally, I dropped out of school. My parents pleaded with me to go back to school and I did the next year but, things were no better. Two weeks before I finished the 11th grade I dropped out, joined the Marines and took and passed the G.E.D.
I did go on to university after I left the Marines but I never completed my degree because things were pretty much the same and I advanced in my career without the degree.
In most cases teachers were an impediment to my education but, occasionally I would find a teacher that actually knew and could teach their subject. In 11+ years of public school I had 2 competent teachers. In 3+ years of university study I had 3 or 4.
Surprisingly, the instructors I had while in naval electronics school were almost all competent at teaching and competent in their field. The difference I think can be attributed to the fact that my Navy and Marine instructors were evaluated on how quickly they weeded out those that could not be trained and how well they trained the rest of us. That focus on results is missing in the public schools and universities. The teachers unions and government bureaucracies have completely removed accountability from the teaching profession.
Pink Floyd
December 14th, 2006 at 5:48 pm
29Welcome my son.
Welcome to the machine.
I’ll leave out the bragging and I let go of the rage a long time ago.
The system needs 3 major changes.
1) Return authority to the teachers. Alot of them can’t teach because they can’t retain respect from the kids because they have no authority and the kids know it. I know people that would be willing to teach for free, but I don’t know anyone willing to put up with the frustration and abuse. For example, a guy I know was a HS math teacher. A kid did none of the work and tried to sell drugs in class. He failed the kid. The kid and his friends jumped him at his car and stabbed him. The administration basically told him he shouldn’t have failed the kid. So he quit the biz.
2) Return to pace learning. Not everyone has the same ability. Stop pretending that they do. It makes the smart kids think adults are all liars and makes the slow kids think everyone else is cheating.
3) Raise the standards. Some people will go all the way and then some, but most people will only do about what they think is expected of them. The more you expect, the more you get.
Danny
December 14th, 2006 at 6:27 pm
30Please view “Voices from the New American Schoolhouse”
newamericanschoolhouse.com
or visit the Free School Preschool
freeschoolpreschool.org
dustin
December 14th, 2006 at 6:33 pm
31“What if your spirit won’t allow you to follow directions?”
This is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever read. If you can’t follow directions then you need to learn how. That’s that. I can understand worries about bullying at school. I even agree that school is more of a babysitter than an educational system. I think most students could achieve the learning necessary for a high school degree by the time they are in 8th grade. Ten percent or so could probably do it by 6th.
All that said, following directions is a life skill that is important to everyone. Everyone can’t be in charge all of the time, and being able to follow directions is the keystone of being a good team player.
Saying you’re different and you can’t follow directions is a cop out.
Rodrigo
December 14th, 2006 at 6:34 pm
32Hello, Look at http://www.paulgraham.com/nerds.html.
This is not an USA problem. I passed by the same bathroom experience that your wife, and I was educated in Spain. The bathroom was the only place that I could use to think about my problems, no other place is private in a school. It was for only two moths though, but I learn a lot about human behavior (11 years old).
The problem is to put every child in the same place, as Paul comments, the same rules that apply in jail apply to school, the most cruel people wins.
There are basic rules every body should know about, like if you feel humiliated when they try to humiliate you, they won’t stop, but if you don’t care, suddenly the fun is gone and they stop.
Now I’m engineer, I don’t have this problems anymore, but I have the same problem than you, they don’t want you to understand, they want you to be a tool they could use when needed.
Dan
December 14th, 2006 at 6:41 pm
33Hilarious computer science class story. My 8th grade computer class teacher routinely asked me questions about how to do things and then gave me a C+ in the class because she said I forgot to turn in an assignment!
Reader
December 14th, 2006 at 7:34 pm
34Russ Jones – I had a similar experience to yours, although mine was in Canada.
We moved from Germany to Canada when I was 8. It took some getting used to – very different culture, etc. Yet, by high school, I had figured most stuff out.
I was a total geek (christian too!) – chess club, math club, computer club, etc.. Sure, I didn’t win any popularity contests, but I hit #1 on the honour roll 2 of the last 3 years, with a #2 finish the year I didn’t win. Moved on to college (university of waterloo for comp eng). Small fish in a big pond – quite average for my class. However, my education totally prepared me for university. After I got my masters, I bloomed a little, learned to be a little more social, etc. Am now happily married to a 2nd-grade teacher
Steve: you said that “test-taking” is a good school skill, and to be a good test taker, you need to memorize stuff. I’ll agree – I have a good short-term memory, and I think I was a good test-taker.
Then you said that a good “life-skill” is gathering knowledge and applying it to solve problems. Guess what – if you’re good at memorizing stuff, you’re good at gathering knowledge. That improves the odds you can figure out a solution WITHOUT a trip to the library (I’m talking in the 80s before the web and google), and makes you a much better bet to finish your assignment early. Think that’s what employers are looking for? Nah, couldn’t be.. Now, with google on every desktop, having knowledge built up is less of an advantage. But, many times I’ve remembered some obscure fact, or been able to answer colleague’s programming questions BECAUSE I remembered something, rather than having to look it up.
Caffiend
December 14th, 2006 at 7:38 pm
35Wow. I graduated high school in 1986. In a class of 800, I think I was 10 or 15 from the bottom. I had always been in the gifted programs, and have an IQ of 153 or so.
Because I checked out of high school. College was difficult, but I made it work. Went to law school. Passed the bar. I am a f..king lawyer for christ sake. Do I practice? No. I have no self confidence. It made completely impossible.
Now. I’m walking through life. It sucks.
Jim
December 14th, 2006 at 8:12 pm
36I’m a teacher at an independent school who is not ready to give up on the system… albeit at the private level. I have taught in public schools, and resolutely refuse to return to them. Your voice and perspective are essential in our national conversation on education.
I look at the school I am in now as we try to ask, and I mean really ask, what is worth knowing and how do we help our students achieve that. What is sad is all the teachers that blame everything on society, the students, their parents, the colleges, you name it. Everything but looking at what they do. Teachers are among the most conservative people in the country when you consider the fact that most schools run in exactly the same format as the did 30, 50 or even 80 years ago.
Nice job.
joe
December 14th, 2006 at 10:46 pm
37It’s sad that you use your experiences at public school to basically indict the whole public school system. And, I wonder at your use of the term “government school,” as if government really runs the schools (it doesn’t). I think the chief source of your pain was not the school at all, but what would best be referred to as “youth culture” — the mores, attitudes and beliefs of young people in this country. Youth culture in America is, in my opinion, dangerously sick. It takes a truly confident and courageous young person to resist the urges to “fit in” with her peers at school and just be herself. In fact, it’s practically impossible and probably unhealthy. Everyone wants to fit in to some extent and needs to. Have you ever worked or socialized with the social misfits in this country, who can’t interact in any social situation? It’s sad.
The teachers I had mitigated the effects of youth culture and kept things focused on their lessons. I think they did a pretty good job. Schools haven’t changed so much in a long time, it is true, but neither has what they’ve had to teach changed so much in a long time. I mean, if the schools teach people to read and write well and do some basic math and understand basic science, hey, I think that’s something given what I see around me these days.
What has changed is youth culture. I don’t recall ever a sense of entitlement when I was in school from myself nor any of my peers. Today, teachers I know and my own work with kids shows that their idea is that they are due their education and that it is the teacher’s responsibility to give it to them. Yeah, teachers need to be good, that’s great. But what ever happened to the idea of being a good student? Education is a right, and I support universal public education. But people should understand it as a privilege and give it some value. Too many kids these days don’t give it much value where I live (New York City). I also don’t recall the level of materialism and obsession with sex when I was in high school 20 years ago. Designer labels just did not mean much in my public school and yeah we all masturbated about the hot girls, but we didn’t have the easy access to porn that is available today with a remote control. Youth culture really is sick in this country.
And how should it be fixed? The schools are just a vehicle for youth culture. They don’t cause it and the solution won’t be found there. The solution is with society. I wonder often how many people yell and scream about the misbehavin’ youth these days but lift not one finger to help kids in their communities. How many people volunteer as a big brother/sister, a sports coach, a mentor or tutor of some type? It’s really sad where i live — the schools can’t get volunteers to save themselves. It’s really difficult. And why? Because both parents are working to support their families, just to make ends meet, and letting their kids work things out with their peers. That’s a nice little formula for disaster: one 16 year old kid following another 16 year old kid. Yikes.
Youth culture seems increasingly distant from adult culture in America. But they are closely related. I see more and more parents who want to be “friends” with their children rather than role models and parents. On the other side, I see parents who want control their kids rather than understand them. There is so much talk – and you perpetuate it – about what’s wrong with the schools. How about a little more talk about what’s wrong with parents and families in this country? I don’t credit the public schools I attended for my success, limited as it may be (!). I credit my parents and the other caring adults I was surrounded by. Divorce today, which is shown again and again as a major negative to children (I mean, Sesame Street can’t even touch it), hovers around 50 percent. A huge number of adults are in prison — that sends a nice message to the kids! The president is a second-rate moron who has trouble speaking English OR he acts like a moron and mangles the language in order to win votes. I don’t know which is worse. Again, though, a nice message to the kids.
Look, it may really be that being smart in America has always been suspect and looked down upon. What Americans really like are people who make money. And you don’t have to be too smart to do that; in fact, social skills are arguably more important in business than smarts. (It’s usually the case, too, that the rich inherit a little to get started, i.e. Donald Trump). Intellectuals and artists are frequent targets for derision and contempt in America. Look at science today, for chrissakes. If you openly adhere to one of its most widely accepted theories you are not getting that promotion. OK, that’s my 2 cents.
Kate
December 14th, 2006 at 11:34 pm
38I want to thank you for this article. I too had a horrible time in the public school system. I was obese and poor, and was ostracized from the time I was in Kindergarten all the way through high school.
Elementary school was the worst. I was teased and physically assaulted on a daily basis. If I told teachers or staff about the teasing, the advice was to “ignore it and they’ll stop”. Sometimes students would verbally abuse me right in front of teachers and they would give me a sort of quick guilty look and then look away, saying nothing. Once in the sixth grade when my tormentors reduced me to tears, my teacher reacted by sending me to the principal’s office. I spent every lunch hour hiding in the hallway of the music wing. All the teachers and staff knew about it, and they knew why I hid there as well and they did nothing.
I was a gifted student, but my experiences of trauma at school caused me to hate being there. I pretended I was sick on a regular basis, all the way through high school. I was ostracized by students for being smart. If I gave an answer in class, the teasing was unbearable. Eventually, I stopped participating in my classes and spent most of my time at school avoiding contact with others (both students and teachers) as much as possible. I got good grades, but in high school I was constantly denied credit for classes for not coming to school because it was such a nightmare.
I am 27 years old, and I still cannot think about some of my experiences in elementary school without crying.
AdventureDad
December 15th, 2006 at 1:00 am
39Thanks for that very comprehensive and personal description of the school system. I only went to college in tehUS, which was a good experience, but I know how messed up the school system is. I’ve learned this simply by talking to normal people who rarely has anything than can be described as a decent education.
I’ve talked to my wife for years about how I think the whole system must change. My proposal is some kind of “Life School” where people learn useful things and crap is filtered out. I hope I one day get to see someone implementa new kind of thinking in school.
Nice weekend
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Erik
December 15th, 2006 at 1:12 am
40Steve,
It was the same for me… went to a top public school in Massachusetts.
You need a Sudbury Valley School. It’s mentioned by Gatto in a few places.
We’re moving so we can send our son to one — the original one opened in 1968 in Framingham, MA. The URL is http://www.sudval.org/. Great online articles and numerous books and videos explaining the model. Good luck,
Erik
Goyis
December 15th, 2006 at 1:20 am
41Steve this is great! I am going to show this to my public school advocate wife!
Daniel Wilkerson
December 15th, 2006 at 1:26 am
42Awesome article; thank you for writing it. I could have written this (with a bit less detail; I don’t have kids). The school system is state-sponsored child abuse. The public school system should be destroyed. I like your idea of local co-ops. What business does the government have doing running the school system anyway? The government should only be running services that must be a monopoly, such as the legal system. There is no reason whatsoever for a monopoly on turning education taxes into schooling.
Michael Flessas
December 15th, 2006 at 3:02 am
43I absolutely hated public school. I hated private school too. Why? The fights. I was a weak and timid child. Still, despite all, I managed to learn a few a things and accomplish a few things and you can read about that at my website:
http://mcflessas.googlepages.com
The point here is this. No matter what anybody tells you about yourself, the only opinion that counts is what you think about yourself and so long as you try to be a decent human being and think for yourself, you have a chance. As for the rest of the folks that live off dumping their negative behavior and emotions on you–I’m writing this in particular to a teenager or young adult that might be reading this who think poorly of themselves–screw them. One final bit of advice: Avoid idiots and never waste time with them.
AdventureDad » How The U.S. School System Is Failing It’s Students
December 15th, 2006 at 3:09 am
44[...] Posted on Friday 15 December 2006 I find it fascinating to look at the very poor U.S. educational system. Here we have the richest and most powerful country on earth failing to teach a large portion of the population the most basic skills. It's even more interesting when you realize that most people don't even know how substandard the education really is. I'm not bashing one of my favorite places on earth, it's the truth. There are top notch possibilities for a small fraction of the population but the overall education is just laughable. One of my favorite bloggers, Steve Olson, has just written up a great post about the American education system. He usually has some excellent self-help articles and his latest post looks at our children's future. It's a soul baring story of how the schools are failing, not only with the educational goals but also on a more emotional level. Please go and read "How The Public School System Crushes Souls." You might look at your children's education differently. Steve talks about many reasons of why the public system continues to fail the population year after year. And it's not getting better, it's getting worse. When my sons were born, I wanted to believe that things were different today, and I discovered that they’re worse. I met a local mother with teenagers several months ago while I was anguishing over what to do with my son’s education. I asked if her kids were in the local public school district (which has an outstanding reputation). She said, “We pulled ‘em out. It was horrible.” I prodded her for more information. She spent most of her nights with her kids trying to correct the damage done at school earlier in the day. She said there was a lack of basic decency and respect throughout the institution. Isn't it amazing that the government can't get it right? We are so intelligent and capable in other areas but the education system is heading in the other direction. Steve has some really good practical examples from teachers and lessons from his personal life. Critical thinking skills have been absent from my classes for years. Kids used to read the book “Catcher in the Rye” and then describe what Holden Caulfield meant to them. Today, they read it and expect me to teach them what it means. Not just most kids, all kids. I haven’t seen a critical thinker in my classroom in five years. Steve has young children just like myself. And he's also concerned about their future education. He has some good solutions but I get the feeling the only feeling we'll see real change is if parents get more involved and finally demand education to become a priority. Today it's nowhere near the top. Head on over to Steve's and read his excellent post on todays education. [...]
Daniel
December 15th, 2006 at 3:38 am
45To Dustin:
It isn’t necessarily one’s “spirit” that prohibits (or severely impedes) the following of directions, but rather one’s brain chemistry. Children and young people with ADD are often precociously capable, but physically incapable of remaining attentive to deathly boring (repetitive, insulting to their intelligence) schoolwork. And that’s not even considering the plethora of other stimuli raging about, competing quite unfairly on the mental battlefield of the attention-deficient.
Medication is not the only way out; though undiagnosed until after dropping out of college, I consistently aced every subject I was engaged and electrified by, whether it was creative writing or symbolic logic. Awareness of such subtle disorders is increasing, but the public school system as it is currently arrayed does little to nothing to provide outlets for minds just like the author’s, who appropriated the slightest poetic license to describe an increasingly common (yet tragically considered shameful) condition.
Manish
December 15th, 2006 at 5:21 am
46The next step in your search for answers (same as my search) : “David Icke”. Search for him on the internet.
Nabil Ahmad
December 15th, 2006 at 6:06 am
47Steve,
I love your aticle. I am very much gladdened by your ability to read between the lines, you’re ahead of most of your peers. You coherantly observe many of the factors and scenerios of public education in the lives of the students. I’m one of those kids that felt he should have been in the Gifted and Talented group, and was never asked to because my grades were adequate, not excellent nor slacking.
What we are seeing is the multiplication of these factors through the generational repitition. We see children, who are not given loving, encourging family support, thrown into institutions that neglect their potential, label them in countless ways, ignore their need for personal contact with their educators and forces an egalitarian outlook that insists teachers deserve no more respect than peers through the inability for teachers to reprimand poor conduct without risking job loss.
I don’t argue your conclusion that the public schools are ineficient, ineffective, dangerous, and harmful. In the six years between my little sister and myself, i was able to watch the rapidity of the downward spiral that the schools are. We are witnessing this in the media now as well. My only sincere thought about it is GOOD!!! The sooner its venom is sqeezed out and displayed for all to see, the better. In the less recent past, it has been more like the slowly warming water destined to cook the frog.
To be fair, I do not believe it is all the school system’s fault. It is intertwined with all of life, and cannot be only the administration that is letting down the children. I consider the solidarity of the family and the fulfillment of parental obligations to be paramount in the well-rounding of an individual.
xamox
December 15th, 2006 at 7:19 am
48Props man. Awesome article. I can relate, I used to sit in class all day and read computer books. Even my parents yelled at me for being on the computer all the time. At 16 I got my A+ certification and was programming. I remember one time in class my teacher yelled at me when reading a computer book and said “This is math class, we do math in math class”, so I decided to ask her to explain algorithms to me, since I was new to it at the time and figure they related to math, she kept saying, You mean logarithms? I kept saying no, I mean algorithms, they are used in computer programs, then she says, “No you don’t know what your talking about, they are logarithms and they are math functions”, luckily my consoler was a really cool guy and let me transfer to another teacher. It’s a good thing I was raised in a stubborn-headed Italian family because I didn’t really take offense to it. I am now a Software Engineer, I am president of the Association for Computing Machinery chapter at my University and am part of the Linux Users Group. I very much agree the school system is wrong, it is based on a 400 year old teaching system and functions like a dictatorship.
Oh Please
December 15th, 2006 at 7:25 am
49Let’s take a look at your “Possible solutions:”
Home-schooling – Millions of people are home-schooling in the US and it grows every year. It isn’t just for religious fundamentalists anymore. 25% of home-schoolers are non-religious. This is the best solution if you can do it.
The key is “if you can do it.” If you have the time and the skill to teach your children in all subjects as well as offer them the opportunity to develop the skills necessary to deal with the real world (not your pampered home – but somewhre where they learn the skills to deal with the bullies and idiots of the world), this could be an option. I’ve worked with homeschooled kids in the past and grand majority have an amazizing deficit when it comes to social skills and such gaps in their “education” they spend a significant amount of time trying to catch up with their public school counterparts. I won’t even discuss the incredible number of students who are “home schooled” so that they can stay home and babysit their siblings.
Small neighborhood based co-ops – Small cooperatives of parents and professionals creating home based neighborhood-learning centers.
Simple question – who pays? And who provides the education for those who can’t pay or who cannot participate as a “cooperative parent” because they have to earn a living to house, clothe, and feed their children. Do not assume all people are capable of committing the time and resources to enable their children to benefit from such a system.
Small entrepreneurial schools – This is what I have opted for with my 4-year-old. He will be attending a small private Montessori school, with three teachers serving 20 students in a single room.
Take a real look at entrepreneurial schools and you may change your mind. Sure, people can tout the higher test scores of students in these schools – but remember what you wrote about test scores not being an accurate measurement. When considering scores – or other “measurements of success” – remember that public school’s are charged with serving every kid who walks through the door. Whether they are a social outcast, violent criminal, aspiring computer geek, prom queen, athlete, dope head, or self-proclaimed introvert. Public schools don’t get to choose who comes through the door. They offer an amazing educational opportunity to EVERY student – not just those whose parents can afford to send them to a private school.
Elitist would be the word I would choose to describe your rant. You didn’t fit in, your feelings were hurt, and the whole public education system is to blame. Let’s abolish it! Get real.
Rondus Fimbly
December 15th, 2006 at 7:32 am
50schools are just the elites way of controlling the proles. If a population was capable of rational thought and problem solving, how long do you think they would be satisfied with the current state of politics?
Cody Goodman
December 15th, 2006 at 7:45 am
51Excellent article!
Firstly, watch this 20/20 special by John Stossel about public schools and how we measure up against other countires, such as Belgium (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfRUMmTs0ZA). The results are particularly disturbing.
I am a product of the public school system. I come from a very small high school (around 400 students 7th-12th Grade), and from the day I arrived to the day I graduated most of the teachers I had would teach us only what we needed to know for the next standardized test. Firstly it was the SAT tests that we have had every year since elementary school. Then it was our graduation exam, which was supposedly at the time the toughest in the nation. Finally, it was the ACT test. If it wasn’t going to be on the test that we were “preparing for,” then it wasn’t relevant.
There were a couple of teachers that I had that actually taught us beyond the scope of the test and inspired us to think for ourselves. Most of my class would actually pay attention to these teachers in their class as well. The rest of the teachers could not (or simply would not) inspire us to be interested in the material, causing people to lose interest quickly. There were a lot of instances where my class would push to not have to do an assignment, and in a lot of cases we got our way. The majority of the teachers simply didn’t care whether we learned or not, especially after we all finished our state graduation exam.
Because my high school was so small, everyone knew everybody. This meant that unless you were a complete social outcast, anything you did the previous night was known by the entire school the next day. The culture of my high school was one of gossip and unfounded rumors. There was not a lot of violence in the school, but there were fights between a couple of students every now and then.
There was a preppy in crowd in my class (and in the school), and I was on the very outer fringe of that crowd. As such, my attempts at getting elected as class president or even vice-president failed every year. Not that it mattered too much; it was nothing more than a glorified popularity contest. Those that were on the ballot didn’t have to campaign or make a speech. Those that got elected to the position were always in the center of the preppy group, and sometimes those people were qualified for the position; other times they were not. The class officers did have some responsibilities, but from what I saw those responsibilities were not very important.
Robert
December 15th, 2006 at 8:10 am
52I had a similar experience. Elementary school was great. But I refer to middle school as “my stint in juvy.” It was a freaking nightmare. I was a constant target. I felt like a total reject. So, I learned how to defend myself (the best defense is a good offense). My older brother who never had much of a problem was in high school and had grown his hair long. I wasn’t much into music in the 8th grade, but then I had this revelation.
If I grow my hair long, everybody will think I’m a rocker/hippy. Nobody picks on hippies. There is no such thing as a nerd-rocker/hippy.
So, that’s what I did. I also went into high school determined to have a good life. I’m smart (I’m now a programmer and have a BA), but I did not prioritize school work in high school AT ALL. I was more concerned about having a happy life, which meant I wouldn’t the object of ridicule and I might even be able to date girls.
I wonder what would have happened in my life if I hadn’t been abused in middle school? Very likely I would be a lot like I am today. But I can guarantee you I wouldn’t have the same anxiety that started in middle school and I have to this day. And I wouldn’t be as explosive during confrontations. The way you deal with a bully is to beat him at his own game. You have to face him down, be louder than him, and be more threatening than him. And don’t worry about getting hurt. The social failure associated with being a target is worse than any physical pain a bully might give you.
My school never really protected me. Some might say that this is just part of growing up, and to some extent they are right. But I know I had much more than my fair share of abuse, and the school was not at ALL proactive about protecting me. Why should a child have to go through this? They complain that the students’ attitudes are why they aren’t learning. But why, if I’m at school to learn, do I have to grow long hair when it wasn’t even my real desire to grow long hair? Why did I have to become so hard? If I’m there to learn, why aren’t the teachers/admins ensuring that I learn in a safe (physically and mentally) environment?
Steve
December 15th, 2006 at 8:13 am
53What I really like is the attitude of the commenter “Oh Please.”
He says I am an elitist becuase I think parents, co-ops, and entrepreneurs are better fitted to educate than government institutions.
Who’s the elitist here…
These people are the reason nothing changes. “There is but one way… The govenment way, we’ve been doing it this way for 100 years. We know what we’re doing. Now you cry babies just shut up and listen to us. We know what’s best for you. We know what’s best for everyone. Quit trying to make your own decisions and get in line.”
This is why reform won’t work. We need 20 million kids to get out of the public school system and do it a different way and then maybe someone will wake up. Reform from the inside is hopeless. Get out of it and let it die. Protest with your feet.
Sorry “Oh Please”,
I’m not gonna shut up.
Blogs like this are changing the world.
Steve Olson
Ravi
December 15th, 2006 at 8:20 am
54I do agree that just because you have had a bad childhood does not mean you will end up bad. Once you realize what went wrong, then you can change.
Rena
December 15th, 2006 at 8:23 am
55First let me commend you on your article. Then let me tell you that homeschooling is an excellent alternative. Even private schools have a lot of the same issues as the public schools. My girls are homeschooled and have never been in an organized classroom setting. I also watch my niece and nephew who are in public school. These are my observations… My nephew announced that the smart kids are taken out of the classroom for extra work. He is left in the classroom and therefore is one of the “stupid kids”. This was in 5th grade. My niece calls it the torture chamber and constantly tells my girls how lucky they are to be home. My girls will talk to people of all ages. They are 5 and 7. They look adults in the eye and speak when spoken too. My niece stares akwardly at the ground and refuses to answer anyone. She’s 9. My girls are very good at entertaining themselves and finding games to play. My niece and nephew are used to being shuffled from one activity to the next and go crazy when given free time. My girls are free spirits when it comes to clothes and color combinations. They have nobody around that will laugh or embarrass them for wearing what they please. My niece sees black as an important color in your wardrobe. Black clothes???? She’s 9!!! My girls are confident, well adjusted, extremely social and outgoing. They play well with others and are very intelligent. My older daughter would be disruptive and bored in the public school. She’s functioning at about 4th grade although socially and emotionally she’s still 2nd grade. What would the public school do with that? If you are in the middle, you do fine. If you are above average or special needs, forget it. There is no place for you. Good luck in your journey and seriously consider homeschooling.
Anonymous
December 15th, 2006 at 8:30 am
56How the Public School System Crushes Souls…
“When you read about the problems with American education, you usually read a bunch statistics about literacy and dropout rates. But those statistics don’t do the subject justice because the problem with American education is a human story. Every dr…
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57[...] A secular argument against public schooling. Just thrown out there as “food for thought”, I’ll just say I find his arguments “interesting” right now. [...]
Sharon
December 15th, 2006 at 8:50 am
58Things aren’t much better here in the UK and what your English teacher said is so true. Our son is 11 and in his first year of high school (7th grade). He is very bright and has been asked to participate in an after school club for high achievers. This is fine and he is doing well BUT he has never been taught throughout primary school to think for himself. I try to get him to reason things out and come to his own conclusions but sometimes feel I am fighting a losing battle. It seems that all the school wanted him (and the other children) to do was to learn how to pass the SATS. It’s too early to tell whether things will change at high school but I will be doing my bit whenever possible to get him to THINK.
Greyhound
December 15th, 2006 at 8:55 am
59Your story reminds me of me !
This problem stems from our societies mindset that we should use
the government to do jobs for which it is not designed or intended to do.
The rationalization is that it is the only organization that has the resources.
Education, like many, many things is something that is deeply local
and personal. To run it from a distance is irrational but that is what we do.
Getting out and voting will not solve the issue either as it is not something
to delegate.
The real answer is to go out and fix it yourself, even though the current
barrier to entry for a solution is so very high.
Thank you for being part of one of the people that are going out to fix it!
Jamasiel
December 15th, 2006 at 9:32 am
60I don’t agree with all of the conclusions, but I think your viewpoint is worthwhile in being presented – both for options in education and a view into what goes on in the public school system. Of course your personal experiences will inform how you view the overall topic! That’s the point!
I think much would be done for the system if the strict “compulsory” aspect was somehow loosened, but the “universal” aspect retained – keeping a baseline of education ~available~ is notably important for our society, but that it is so difficult to find a different path (even to change selection of specific government schools). My first impulse to the cruelty of kids-on-kids was to say “well, that’s life”, but I know that’s kinda brushing over the problem – but as you said in the point about larger private schools – groupings of kids in any setting will result in cliques, ostracism and so on – and yet, while home schooling and private schools provide some solution, they’re not comprehensive. I’m not expecting you or any individual to provide a solution to it all, but I’ve yet to see one presented. I’ve heard plenty of voices who cry out about having public education abolished outright, but like many of these issues, they never seem consider the aftermath.
Still – thanks!
TOMAS
December 15th, 2006 at 10:12 am
61Hey Steve, I’m glad to see that your blog has been able to illicit 60+ responses (and growing) – great job in getting your ideas and messages out to the masses!
As for the public education system – I’ve always had it in the back of my head that I would one day (after my entrepreneurial endeavors) go back and become a teacher because there is so much that can be done to empower kids and give them a reason to believe that they too can make a difference in this world. I was fortunate to have teachers who actually cared and tried to make a difference, they were more like surrogate parents to me than teachers.
Ray Setzer
December 15th, 2006 at 10:17 am
62This seem awfully pretentious. Its not the “Government” school and causes the tribal behavior of children. Its that children bring their tribal behavior into the school with them. They have a very cruel system that instantly judges and ostracizes that which does not conform.
Public school by necessity has to teach down to some middle level. Bright kids learn quickly how to scam the system and simply work around it. You may level appropriate criticism against the system for its failure to identify and challenge the non stupid and placid, but a good deal of that can be leveled at the current local tax climate of ‘A dollar spent on education, is a dollar too much.’ Or, “Tax for prison expansion YES!’.
Homeschooling has its own problems. My wife teaches in a Catholic HS, and they find that homeschooled kids are really all over the board in their skill levels. Additionally they often lack refinement in those group and tribal social skills that you find so unpleasant. Lastly, there are a percentage of parents who home school their kids so that they can be prevented from being exposed to the critical thinking ideals you find the schools sadly lacking in. (This is an area in which I feel your guns are appropriately leveled against. Results and testing based education evaluation simply shifts the focus to a ‘teach to the test’ method. Hey, if your job evaluation is based on how a pack of unmotivated kids performs on a test, how stupid would YOU be to not adapt your teaching method to give the bureaucracy what they demand?)
Years ago they blazed headlines on news magazines saying “Johnny can’t read”. Well, Jny stl, cnt read, no can he spul, and thinks now that U can use txt msg as englsh. In addition, Johnny is astoundingly lazy and filled with a sense of entitlement. Having grown up in the 90′s, they have never known anything other than prosperity. Cheating is rampant, and if you ask them, they see nothing wrong with it. However, being lazy, they rarely go beyond grabbing the first hit off Google for that pirated paper.
Fix it? This implies that it ever really worked. Its goal in society is to 1. Keep the little wankers off the street. 2. Prevent the worst effects of rank ignorance and 3. Take a stab at putting a little knowledge into their heads. It’s really a bit of a ‘good old days’ reasoning to think that there ever was any philosophy towards creating critical thinkers. Occasionally one will luck out and make a rare connection with a talented teacher, but in the overall, it can be little more than a giant education Wal Mart and most people are in the 10 items or less isle. A derisive and often accurate wag once said. “There isn’t an average intelligence for nothing.”
M.J. Taylor
December 15th, 2006 at 10:18 am
63Great Post!
Another interesting look at the US Mass Forced Education System:
Underground History of American Education, by John Taylor Gatto.
Thanks for the Post,
MJ
Roland
December 15th, 2006 at 10:29 am
64A wonderful piece here…nicely stated…
When I taught in a public school for several years, I went in believing that I knew what to expect. I expected to see the groups and behaviors that I had seen when I attended public school, but this time I would be in a position to “guide/monitor” things…
…it’s worse. I remember lots of groups at my high school…even “outcasts” had a number of groups in which they could find acceptance (deadheads, music groups, artist/theater groups, goth kids, and so on). Not anymore…there were only three groups at this school: popular kids (most often the athletes), the academic-minded, and the miserable everybody else…with some overlap between these three…
Any attempts to relate to the children, to become invested in their lives and futures, and a teacher would be told they were “setting themselves up” or “trying to be one of the kids.” We were told to never ask or even listen to anything personal the kids might offer, to give no child individual attention, and to offer generalized, low-level learning to all…and that these guidelines were for our own good and that of the children.
We are a nation of adults who don’t trust each other and don’t trust our children (and they have responded, not surprisingly, by shutting us out)…we dedicate far too much time to “cover your ass” policies, and “education solely as the pursuit of a career.”
Sadly, the eight teachers that I was close to…the teachers who had passion and inspired students to pursue knowledge with zeal…they were a stubborn, eccentric bunch,but they’re all gone now. They’ve left education for the private sector.
It’s sad. And as you illustrate, very hard to find a solution within the system.
I appreciate you putting this out there,
Roland
Steve
December 15th, 2006 at 10:35 am
65Ray,
Yes the problem is the kids tribal culture. I agree. I think my Computer teacher reacted to me the way he did, because of kid culture. I threatned his control. If he didn’t make an example of me, he risked losing the whole classroom. He was afraid he looked foolish to the other students. I don’t blame the teachers. I say the institution is inherently flawed. It’s too big. When you put 1-3 thousand of kids in a single building it turns into a tribal prison. But even 30 is too many in one place. Why not put them in an place with 5-10 other kids and let them learn there? Small co-ops. No-regulation. No-administration. No-government. Just local involvement. Local responsibility. Private responsibility.
John V
December 15th, 2006 at 10:50 am
66Obviously your computer class teacher thought you were cheating by copying off of a previous year’s student. He’d probably had that happen before.
Ray Setzer
December 15th, 2006 at 11:05 am
67There is no doubt that smaller class size translates into better results. I believe that has been proven over and over. 30??!! Thats alot in a class. At good old St Cats anything more than 20 is large. Course, the school has 350 kids total and the there is an advantage in that teachers generally know all the kids.
They also have the advantage in that they can toss someone out. Failing all your classes? You may be asked to depart. Violate rules of conduct? There’s the door. As they don’t have teachers trained in handling special needs kids, there are few of them. (Believe me, you can’t know how just one or to severely ADD kids can totally disrupt a class.)
There may be those who say. “Hey! the public schools should get tough like that!”. But after you think about it, you realize you simply have got a head start on the local jails early release program.
Its just sooooo easy to point at one or two things and say. “Change this, or teach this way or so on and so forth.” But the truth is the schools are torn in so many directions. Text book committees demanding ideology over accuracy, taxt revolts, lack of parental involvement, lack of decently trained and motivated teachers.
On the other hand, 50 years ago, a college education was reserved for the upper classes, now every middle class kid can go if they want.
Don
December 15th, 2006 at 11:06 am
68I am the same way, but luckily my parents pulled me out of public school in the second grade and put me in a $15,000 a year private school where the same shit happened, but I learned about how to get rich at the same time. I for one am going to home school my kids for sure.
Lynette
December 15th, 2006 at 11:13 am
69I read this and saw my son, and to a lesser extent my daughter. The standard schools in my district attempted to grind him down even though he tested out just below gifted. He responded by looking “dangerous” enough to not be messed with. He graduated from the alternative high school with was less structured and allowed him more freedom.
Something does have to change. My experience with homeschooled children has shown me the failures rather than the successes people report, so I don’t consider that a cureall. I agree the centralization of education is a negative, teachers have to meet so many criteria they can’t teach, let alone inspire. People do not become teachers because it is a source of great income and power. They do it because they want to educate children, but the system won’t let them. I don’t have any answers, I just have an opinion and this is it.
Jay
December 15th, 2006 at 11:28 am
70I absolutely agree. I went to a tiny private school (
David
December 15th, 2006 at 12:00 pm
71I barely remember my schooling but I, too, was in a Minnesota, wealthy Suburban school at the same time as the author. (I graduated in 1985.)
You’re right.
You’re dead right.
I hid out in the library from 1982-1984 during every lunch period. I was tripped and pushed and kicked and accosted in the halls. Can you imagine how bad it would have been had I known I was gay (or if others knew?!!) No, I was a geek -a nerd- and punished for it.
The teachers decided that every altercation was 50-50 in terms of fault; I was yelled at if I was the victim on the principle that I was probably -in some way- responsible.
My only freedom was art class.
The thing is, though, I don’t remember school very much. I remember the snotty girls who were cruel and mean. The jocks who beat me up and made my life a living Hell. But not much else.
And I wonder if that’s part of what’s wrong with me. I’ve never been that interested in classroom learning any more. I can’t think clearly in such an environment. I’m never really motivated. I don’t learn like I know I should. So was my defense mechanism of pulling back and isolating myself from caring -becoming emotionally shelled- what killed my passion for learning?
Yours,
David
Alexander Ramsey High School (now Roseville Area High School), class of ’85
Noah Masterson
December 15th, 2006 at 12:23 pm
72My life changed too when our daughter was born. My wife and I are both the product of government schooling, but now we’re looking at private schools with annual tuition for Pre-K that rivals the Ivy League. Which of course we cannot afford, but public school is just not an option.
Anyone wishing to vent about their own public-school experiences can do so over on Grupthink, where I referenced this article: http://www.grupthink.com/topic/3627
Patrick
December 15th, 2006 at 12:55 pm
73Unfortunatley this is a crock. What starts out as a seemingly unbiased look at so-called ‘government’ schools is dripping with bias and innacuracy, not to mention a healthy dose of pretense and a dash (or three) of holier-than-thou arrogance. Why the term ‘government’ schools? Well, the author is uses a propaganda technique known as employing loaded words. It gives us that scary Orwellian-sounding tone without taking into account that there are a lot of us who are working at making schools better. We like to think of ourselves as “community” schools, but that wouldn’t fit very nicely with the way the author wants us to percieve this misdirected diatribe.
Blaming the institution is a cop-out. A weak one. We cannot all be computer prodigies or MIT-bound whiz kids who are “uninspired” and generally see the public education system as beneath us. More often than not we are what I am sure the author would consider sub-human bipeds who didn’t have the good sense to have wealthy parents who were willing to foot the bill for our dope while we were busy cutting class. The shame of it all.
No, most of us are (unfortunately for us) among those less-than sentient brand of ….shhh….working person. I know, it is hard to admit that some of us don’t belong to the wannabe intellectual elite – even harder for you to believe some of us don’t WANT to belong. How do we sleep at night?
Let’s look at some of the gross generalizations laid out here:
“Everyone is gifted and Talented”
That is a pretty, trite and oh-so PC way of saying that we are all born intelligent – not with the same intelligences, mind you (think Bloom’s Taxonomy), but with intelligence. While there is some real truth to the idea of multiple intelligences and the need for differentiated instruction, but what the author suggests is what a friend of mine use call ‘happy horsehit.’ It sounds great, but has absolutely no real meaning, let alone substance.
“What if your spirit won’t allow you to follow directions? What if your heart forces you to be different? Then what?”
Public education shopuld not be the be-all and end-all of a person’s education. Yet statements like these seem to test that idea. Does the author want schools tailor-made to each individual? A nice idea, but good luck digging up the cabbage for that in a society that values education slightly more than it values hair lice. And until you can get society to stop salivating about what Paris Hilton and Donald Trump are going to do next
you are not going to be able to fund any meaningful overhaul of the current system.
“So our example comes from the best of the best of the best government schools in the United States. We both came from Beaver Cleaver families, with adequate income, no divorce, abuse, or family violence.”
Did you ever stop to think that your lily-white, entitled, “Beaver Cleaver” upbringing had anything to do with the type of attitude that created an environment that forced your poor wife to spend a year on the crapper away from the ‘mean girls’? Well? Your condescending tone reflects your priveledged upbringing quite nicely. Maybe a little more investigation under those carpets is called for.
Interesting that your son is going to a (ultra-hip among the McMansion set, BTW) Montessori school, yet even that poor teacher who tried to instill in your son some respect for an educated elder is set for a tounge-lashing along with the obviously misguided administation. The nerve of them expecting manners or decency from a child.
While you do raise some good points about social manipulation and test-taking as an ultimate aim, where are your suggestions to fix the problem other than to say that the institution is broken? People build the institutions, don’t they? Could it be possible that the people are broken? Obviously I don’t mean the gated-community people, they’re fine – it must be the rest of us degenerates.
“So these kids need intimacy and acceptance? Does anyone believe they’ll find these qualities in our government schools?”
Does anyone really believe that is what a school is for???? Sure, schools can help to mitigate intimacy and acceptance problems in some ways, but that is NOT the mission they are charged with. That is why we have friends, families, social clubs, churches and so on. Don’t look to the school to fix all of society’s problems. After all, that might require a hike in property tax or something ugly like a luxury tax on that new integrated in-home computer entertainment system. Darn, that Paris sure looks almost real in Hi-Def…
Danno
December 15th, 2006 at 1:05 pm
74A very interesting article although I admit that I do not agree with everything that you present. There are currently about 20 million children in this country under 5 years of age; moreover, almost half are minorities. Realistically, how many of them will be able to be schooled either at home or in small neighborhood co-ops? It’s a nice idea, easy to espouse but I suspect very, very difficult to implement.
Several other commenters have made valid points. Public schools (yes, “public”, not “government” – you’re trying to make them sound Dickensian, I know, but let’s at least refer to them as most people refer to them) are, by definition, required to take all students as they come. Should some of them be there? No. Should some of the teachers be there? Again, no. But don’t indict an entire system because of the shortcomings of a comparative few.
When I read articles like this one, I find myself asking, “What did you want to have happen?” If your school memories are negative because your teachers were unqualified or indifferent, then you have a legitimate obligation to complain – then and there – because what you want is an improved learning experience. You didn’t complain about your computer teacher at the time when something could have been done about it. On the other hand, if you had a difficult time because you were short, fat, timid, etc. then what did you want to have happen? Sitting in the bathroom stall, your wife wanted acceptance but it is unclear how Jefferson High was responsible for her situation. You give the school no credit for fostering the good qualities that she had as a child so it’s disingenuous to blame it for her “public humiliation.” She seems to have rebounded well. Good for her!
Curt makes several good points, particularly that we should work from within the system because it’s a lot more beneficial right away than trying to start over with new, unproven approaches. Sending your son to Montessori is great, for your son, but what does it do for those other 20 million close behind?
The current system is not designed so that 20% rise to the top and the rest fall to the floor. It is there to lessen the space in-between.
Steve
December 15th, 2006 at 1:54 pm
75Patrick,
They are government schools. Public is the Orwellian word. If they were public the student could come and go freely.
You seem a little angry.
I’m not attacking people. I’m attacking the institution. The institution makes all these people behave so crazy. Can’t we talk about ideas without attacking each other? I never criticized my teachers or anyone. I am criticizing the government school construct.
The people that are damaged most by government school are the poor – not the rich. The rich always have an out. The poor are stuck there.
Danno,
If my wife wasn’t forced by law to be in school she wouldn’t have had to hide in the bathroom. Compulsory schooling is to blame, not any particular person. She didn’t want to be there at all. But we have created a system where that is the only way we believe we can succeed.
Thomas
December 15th, 2006 at 2:04 pm
76I haven’t had time to read all the comments that have been posted here, but I did at least have time to read your article and wanted to leave my two cents.
I’m a 23 year old professional web developer who was home-schooled my whole life. I was one of those types whose life probably would have been crushed by public schooling due to my “rebellious”, independent nature. That, and the fact that I’ve loved computers and technology ever since I can remember.
My family was one of those religious fundamental types with a lot of kids (hence the home-schooling), and after I finished 8th grade they adopted this thing called, “Lifestyle of Learning”. Basically, I learned whatever I wanted to. At the age of 13, I got my first web design job, making $20 an hour doing contract work, and at the age of 16, got hired on full time at a local company. Due to religious differences with my parents, I moved out of my home at 18 and got my own apartment.
After moving out on my own, there was a year or two as I adapted to the “real world” and learned how to interact with the general public. I guess you could say I had to play social catch-up with all the people who attended public school. But I learned pretty quickly, and you’d be surprised at how many beautiful women are attracted to intelligence (as long as you have a relatively balanced personality). All those old rules you learned in public school about nerds and geeks are out the window. Most women over the age of 20 don’t care about high school cliches anymore.
At any rate… now I’m running a company in Phoenix, AZ along with a business partner, and so far we’re making pretty good money. I have a beautiful fiance, a nice car, and am in the early stages of saving up for retirement.
No, I don’t have a college degree (yet), but if I get one, it will be primarily for the purpose of personal learning and growth. In other words, if I do the college thing, it’ll be because I want to. Too many people jump right into college right out of high school just because they’re told to. They don’t really know what they want to be or do with their lives, so they switch majors three times and run their finances into the ground. By the time they finally get their degree, they’re deep in debt, and when they go out into the real world and join the rat race. After a couple of years doing what their degree says they do, they realize they don’t really like what they’re doing so they quit their jobs and do something else. I see it every day. A woman with a degree in elementary education working as a teller behind the counter at the local bank. A man with a degree in art history working as a project manager at a local firm.
There’s a guy who works for me who has a bachelor’s degree and he makes $13.50 an hour. He’s going to be paying off his student loans for years.
All I know is this, America’s education system is flawed.
I don’t profess to know all the answers, but I know one thing for sure, and that is this: If I ever have kids, they’re *NOT* going to public school as long as I can help it!
Danno
December 15th, 2006 at 2:08 pm
77Your comment that “the poor are stuck there” is a little harsh but probably more accurate than not, and this gets back to my concern about those millions of minority children entering the educational system in the coming few years. What are we doing for them?
It’s hard to reconcile compulsory schooling having no damaging effect on someone’s capabilities, intelligence, self-confidence, ambition and entrepreneurship but being solely responsible for their social problems.
Rittenhouse
December 15th, 2006 at 3:04 pm
78Have you read Paul Graham’s essay, “Why Nerds are Unpopular”?
Your experiencs parallels much of his.
W. Escher (high school senior)
December 15th, 2006 at 3:09 pm
79It’s about bloody well time someone noticed the travisty of public schooling in America. Is it unfair to say, “We told you so?”
I was homeschooled until 6th grade, and thank God for it, otherwise I would have been forced into becoming one of the clones our educational system vomits out every year.
This is extremely well written; it produces a logical, reasonable argument. Unfortunately it states what many of us “Gifted and Talented” students already know, and have known since our institutionalization.
There are some of us that fight this system with a passion. We have been humiliated for it. We are less than human to the mass of our peers and we are made aware of it daily by our teachers.
However, if being human means I lose my ability to think freely, then I will be an alien until the day I die.
Another Steve
December 15th, 2006 at 3:44 pm
80As someone who went through the hell of “public” school and all of its associate horrors, from kindergarden in 1989, bouncing from school to school until completing junior high (which has always struck me as a confusing term) and finally saying “F..k this” at high school, I want to thank you. I’d also like to share an abbreviated history of my school career, if it can even be called a career.
Kindergarden: My mother had been taking night classes in biology at the time, and I had access to the same books she did. After spending a night reading one of her biology textbooks, the next day I was verbally assaulted by my teacher, in front of the entire class, for drawing a basic diagram of an amoeba when the instructions were “draw an animal”. The teacher received no punishment.
First grade: During a math lesson, I was called to the board to finish an example problem. I’ve never been comfortable with math, nor any good at it, but since The Teacher Said So I went up to the board and tried. Unsuprisingly, I got the answer wrong. Rather than correct me by explaining what I did wrong, the teacher gave me a verbal whipping in front of the entire class and sent me back to my desk. After the lesson, we we had lunch. I excused myself to use the bathroom, and stayed there crying until a friend of the family was called to the school and found me. This happend several more times during the year.
I don’t remember anything notable from second and third grade, probably because I jumped between two schools during this period, so I’m going to skip ahead.
Fourth grade: From here until sixth grade, the three active class groups in each grade rotated between three teachers for different subjects. I suppose this was the administration’s attempt at preparing us for junior high. Of the three fourth grade teachers, I’d only say one of them – Mr. Robinson, bless his heart – actually gave a sh.t about their students. The other two didn’t, and it was painfully obvious. One was an overweight butter-troll of a woman obsessed with shouting at her class whenever she could, and since the classrooms were interconnected, everyone could hear her go off. The other was a man with more beard than face that nobody knew much about, except that while he was quieter, his temper was identical to Ms. Buttertroll.
This is the grade where I was introduced to the horrors of other people. Since I was imported from another school, not to mention spent most of my time at the computer in the back of the class, I was a ripe target for others. I started acting out, clogging the bathroom toilets actually, unable to cope with the combination of classwork and mental abuse from other students. I didn’t know what else to do, so I developed the habit of outwardly shutting down.
Fifth grade: The bullying continues, along with another set of teachers that were only there because their contracts weren’t up. This is the year where I have at least some immunity, both from having given the administration something to think about with last year’s test scores, and from being the only person in the entire school who understands the first thing about computers. But this doesn’t make me immune, far from it. Being in the back of the class makes me a prime target for the abusers, as does wearing glasses, and being able to pass every test in spite of having my back turned and reading a book from the school library during class. One memorable incident was getting detention for some minor infraction and, rather than spend the time sulking, I wrote a short report on the four kinds of nuclear radiation.
Sixth grade: Bullying increases to physical interaction. I get in my first fight, through no fault of my own, but it’s not my last. In each case, I make no move to harm the other, but mercy is a foreign concept to most students. The end of the year is capped off by nearly losing an eye to a kid throwing a dried adobe-and-rock ball at my face while I was waiting to be picked up after school. And even though I’m bleeding and under obvious stress, the office staff wouldn’t let me inside because school was out.
Junior high summary: Exempt from PE due to physical problems that came to light over the summer; Mocked and ridiculed endlessly by other students. Labelled as a potential Columbine-repeat by the school counselor after one misunderstanding. Physically abused by a subsitute teacher for refusing to put away my palmtop computer, or as he liked to call it “that toy”, which had been formally recognised as a learning aid by the principal. Verbally abused, kept in isolation, denied food, and kept long after school by the vice principal for the incident with the subsitute.
Is it any wonder I dropped out after this?
Trish
December 15th, 2006 at 3:47 pm
81BRAVO!! Thank you for your unswerving dedication to researching, understanding and debunking the myth that America has a good education system. It is a frightening thought that the population to be – is a potentially mindless mob. Too many tragedies trespassed because no one questioned authority.
Lynnette Guptill
December 15th, 2006 at 3:54 pm
82thank you! thank you! thank you! My son is 2 and since b4 I was pregnant I knew I was going to homeschool. I’m a preschool teacher. I have made it a point to know what’s going on legislatively (is that a word?) and politically since making that decision. Your article has totally echoed what I tell friends and family about why I am homeschooling through elementary. My husband and I are Christian and that also plays into our decision, but you are absolutely correct in your statement that you don’t have to do “religious” schooling. It’s more about what kind of person do you want to train up? We need more critical thinkers not beat down clones…..I hope that more people start looking at what public schools are doing “to” our children and not doing “for” them.
Melisah
December 15th, 2006 at 5:58 pm
83Wow. This was incredibly thought provoking.
Josh Shaine
December 15th, 2006 at 6:50 pm
84I am glad my essay (or some other term) reached you and made a difference. That is, after all, what it was written for!
There is so much from your piece to talk about, but I think I will dwell on one part of your entry, at least this time around. You wrote:
This ‘new label’ has been around more than a century. On the same site as my underachievement pieces is another segment on what we knew about teaching gifted children in 1919. Mostly, it has not changed.
When you say that you “believe everyone is gifted and talented,” I am not sure what you mean, especially when you go ahead and point out very distinct differences. Does everybody have individual strengths? Sure – but Bob’s area of greatest strength may not be as good as average. He may just not have any area that rises about the majority of people. Is that ‘nice’ to say? No. But it seems to be true.
Pat Schuler’s points are very on target – but if you do not believe that these students can get what they need in the mass market schools we have, then what makes you think that “all students are gifted?” The pains suffered are very different.
I believe that the public/government/mass market schools could meet these needs, if not for all then for a lot more than they even remotely try to. I have watched as many private schools, large and small, fail these kids and large and public. It is more about the individuals teaching than about the specific curriculum, though that, too, can have a large impact.
I suggest reading Miraca Gross’s paper on friends and “sure shelters.” I look forward to crossing your path down the road.
Steven
December 15th, 2006 at 6:54 pm
85BULL !!! The US has a literacy rate of 92%. We have 12 million primary and secondary students and we won’t/can’t allocate resources to serve the LESS THAN 1% of the students who fall into the right side of the bell curve.
“Beautiful, capable, intelligent, self-confident, ambitious, entrepreneurial” people do NOT sit in bathroom stalls during lunch hour. Either your wife is not these things or the whole story is a lie.
Who is this ‘teacher’ that “yanked me out of your seat by your ear, and made you fall to the floor humiliated”!! If this event happened at all it was probably do to some disrespectful, smartass remark you made as you completed the assignement.
Finally, if you are so opposed to ‘government-sponsered education’ I expect you to take YOUR children to a nation that doesn’t practice such absurdities.
Kamal
December 15th, 2006 at 6:58 pm
86Thank you very much for writing this. I was in the gifted program here in NYC, and up until reading this article, I didn’t understand why, for my pre-teen and teenage years, I didn’t like doing homework. I would do well on tests and knew the material, but came close to being held back more than once simply because I didn’t do homework. This writing, with the linked articles, is very eye-opening and insightful, and I will be passing this on to as many people as I can.
Liz Mann
December 15th, 2006 at 10:25 pm
87This is fabulous. My husband just became a public school teacher and is teaching 6th grade in Richmond, CA. I am going to show him your piece first thing in the morning. Thanks so much for writing it.
Conrad
December 16th, 2006 at 12:33 am
88“You never say no to a teacher, right dad?” I asked where he heard that. His Montessori pre-school teacher said it… I plan to talk to the teacher and the administrator of the school.
Wow, I hate the monopolistic government schools as much as (or more than) the next guy, but this statement seems like parents causing problems, not teachers causing problems. They didn’t say “teachers are always right”, they just don’t want kids refusing to do what the teacher tells them to do, lest every trip to the bathroom turn into an ordeal corralling twenty 4-year olds. Yet you’re going to go raise a stink about it and interfere with their ability to teach and maintain control in the classroom?
Disrespect for authority will come naturally when your child becomes a teenager, at this point you should be teaching your child to respect the teacher and, yes, a 4-year old probably should have pretty much blind obedience to the teacher.
Expressed » Our Children Are Not Going to Government Schools
December 16th, 2006 at 12:34 am
89[...] Yet another essay on the travails of the government school system. [...]
Steve
December 16th, 2006 at 7:04 am
90Conrad,
I talked to that teacher last night. She and the administrator understood.
It’s okay to demand respect and I expect him to be disciplined if he is disrespectful or disruptive. But the rule, “You never say no to a teacher” is wrong. It’s the very beginning of teaching them to stop thinking for themsemves. Sometimes teachers ask kids to do immoral or illegal things. We just had one in Chaska charged with sexually abusing a student. If a teacher told my son to fondle him, would the rule “you never say no to a teacher” apply?
Steve
December 16th, 2006 at 7:48 am
91I loved high school. I hated junior high.
We moved from drug infested neighborhood, full of abandoned cars and crack houses to a nice neighborhood – straight out of Leave it to Beaver.
I remember all the kids that whined about how much they hated school – its boring – the teachers are too hard – they don’t challange my creativity….. I couldn’t see it – they hadn’t ever had a razor flashed for their lunch money, all they worried about was being somebody or being noticed or not noticed or whatever. Get over it. Go to the inner city – look at those schools – then hustle on back to safe suburbia and be glad your old locker mate isn’t a lifer somewhere.
Steve
December 16th, 2006 at 8:13 am
92Steve,
I understand that everything is relative.
But it’s the same as saying, “There is no reason to clean up a chemical spill in Seattle because you just moved in from Chernobyl.” Sure even with a chemical spill, Seattle is cleaner that Chernobyl but that doesn’t mean we should be indifferent. We can always try to be better.
Soni
December 16th, 2006 at 8:23 am
93Amen.
I myself was a “prey student” for my entire scholastic career. I was mercilessly tormented, taunted, bullied, shunned and otherwise put through the wringer for the entire time I was in school. I was smart – smart enough to stay on the honor roll without much effort during any year I gave a crap enough to try. But your comment about the “survival over learning” mentality really hit the nail on the head.
In a nutshell, that’s all school was for me – something to survive as well as possible until I was done. Dropping out wasn’t an option – I had an abusive step-father at home who would have put me in the hospital had I tried that stunt. So I pretty much spent my childhood years moving between a rock – the abusive, penal school system – and a hard place – more of the same at home.
I graduated. I got out. But those years remain to this day a long, black smear of horror, fear and soul-numbing emptiness from which little, if any, joy existed.
Like many of the others, aside from basic reading skills and basic math skills, 99% of anything useful, interesting or valuable I know I learned either outside or or in spite of school. School itself taught me nothing except to never, ever trust other people and never, ever let yourself get into a situation where your safety, health, well-being or success depends on working with or around others. Not exactly a mindset conducive to a happy, healthy life in the real world. These are the “socialization skills” many kids learn in public school, which folks should keep in mind when they criticize home schooling’s “social isolation.”
In fact, Steven’s incredibly dense snark about your wife not being intelligent and entrepreneurial because she hid in the bathroom obviously misses the point that these tendencies are probably what put her into that situation to begin with (and being put into that situation is no doubt what firmly entrenched these personality components into her psyche), and are not a refutation of these tendencies.
Being smart, independent, self-sufficient, socially indifferent to fashion or status and sharp-witted are the things that brought me the biggest load of hell from other kids. There was a huge, violent and collective backlash against anyone who didn’t fit in or didn’t care about fitting in, who was smart enough to make others look bad without trying and dumb enough not to hide it, and who was perfectly capable of getting along just fine without the approval of or permission of others.
However, being a kid, I also didn’t have the adult capacity to just brush off their responses or seek out other options of dealing with them. I, too, spent many hours alone in hiding in some form or another, simply because it was the only coping mechanism available to me – I couldn’t leave, I couldn’t make it stop and I didn’t have the emotional and physical maturity to find other coping options. Without that option of simply getting away from it, it would have simply built up intolerably and there’s a good possibility that had that happened, I’d have been one of those school shooters or something very much like it.
Hiding doesn’t speak to stupidity or cowardice or anything of the sort. It’s simply a smart option to not killing people who won’t otherwise leave you alone.
I am spending this year in a program working with kids in the school system, and everything I remember is there still. One of my entrepreneurial colleagues homeschools his kid and the difference is horrifying, in the sense of being a clear indication of just how badly the school system is failing those in it. His “second grader” reads at a level that exceeds all of the middle schoolers I work with, can tell you the scientific explanation of density with complete internalized understanding and actually likes learning. All of the kids I work with are just doing their time and trying not to get sucked under while they tread water toward graduation, and have been offered no incentive to do otherwise.
Because of the position I’m in, I can’t buck the system without losing what little chance I have of making things better for the few kids I can reach. It’s like working at a hospice where everyone is going to die and all you can do is make the process a tiny bit more bearable, if you’re lucky. No wonder the best teachers sift out of the system. Staying is just as emotionally intolerable for them as it is for the kids. Only, the teachers have the option to leave.
Molly
December 16th, 2006 at 8:46 am
94I think that education should start at home… NOT in a home-schooling setting though! Home schooling does not prepare kids for the outside world or how to deal with others (of course, neither do “Christian” schools, but thats a whole other story). People have “survived” public schools for many many years… the key is not to expect the teachers, staff, etc to give your child confidence. If a child can’t hold their head up and look people in the eye, then perhaps the PARENTING needs to be examined. A lot of these kids have trouble in school because their home life is not what it should be. People want to blame public schools for a lot of things, when it truth these are things parents should be teaching their children!
Steve
December 16th, 2006 at 10:09 am
95Molly,
So if parents should be teaching children, why bring them to school? What is the point? Daycare? To learn how to avoid torture? Is that the social skill you describe? If I used the methods of socialization I learned in public school at work, I’d be fired or arrested. Don’t you think it is a waste to spend 13 years of your life simply surviving?
Soni,
Thanks for sharing. Imagine any other place having a record this poor. Imagine every tenth customer walking into a supermarket is humiliated and poisoned by the customers and management says – oh quit whining you baby – people have been abused and poisoned here for decades – get over it – its not our fault anyway – its all our rotten customers – there is nothing we can do. And this super market was a branch of government and no one could buy food anywhere else except in an extremely expensive alternative few could afford or in their own garden. Then the supermarket proponents argue that anyone that disagrees with this arrangement is for taking food away from the poor, because everyone knows that without government distributed food the poor would starve.
But we all know the truth. The private sector distribution of food is so efficient that the biggest nutritional problem with the poor in America isn’t starvation it’s obesity.
The truth is… If we privatized education, we’d have more educational choices than we could imagine today. Sure some people would make lousy decisions, just like they do about the food they eat. But those that didn’t make lousy decisions would see benefits beyond imagination.
Can you see what nonsense government education is?
SB
December 16th, 2006 at 10:36 am
96As a junior high school dropout myself (late 70′s), much of your story resonates with me. However, I must say that you do indeed sound angry. I can deal with that if it’s what it takes to motivate you to delve so deep into such an important subject. But you do sound angry.
After reading your story (and experiencing much of it in my youth) and the myriad responses here, I’m not really sure it’s “the systems” fault. Or that there’s some conspiracy to keep our children dumb. I’m involved in government at high level (not education) and whenever there’s a problem with a segment of the system it’s rarely a conspiracy, and much more likely caused by indifference, ignorance or ego. Many of these people are well paid and have secure jobs, and conspiracy is rarely part of their motivation (or comprehension).
For every student who participates in peer bullying (in any form), or racial discrimination, there are parents (or guardians) at home who are indifferent or ignorant (or encouraging) of their charges behaviors. Apparently this is all too common, as class and school sizes increase, so do social problems.
Can the failure of the public education system be blamed on it’s meager budget? Perhaps. And this angle always leads to the topic of teachers low salaries. But can doubling teachers pay solve the bulk of the problems? Absolutely not. Everyone I know has a teacher in his/her past similar to your 12th grade English teacher – someone who truly understood the mission. Someone who got it. These saints get paid similarly to respondent George Barlow’s electronics teacher who thew him out of class after the first few days because of the teachers ego. Do we want to give George’s teacher a raise too? If we doubled his pay would he suddenly ‘get it’? We all know the answer to this one.
The real solution is not home schooling, charter schools or small private schools – sure these can be solutions for your children’s education, but what about the rest of society? No, the gorilla in the room that we’re all avoiding eye contact is YOU and ME. At home, teach your kids from the day they’re born that bullying and discrimination is horrible, and is not part of who you are as beings. And then you should become a teacher. Really. Quit your job and become a teacher in roughest public school in your area. Become that saint for every young person you can reach. Can’t afford that? Do it anyhow. Hey, no one ever said fixing great problems was easy.
Personal sacrifice has become a lost art in this country. And that’s what this all boils down to. You and me, and our contribution to our world.
anon
December 16th, 2006 at 11:19 am
97While homeschooling can fail, if done properly it IS the real world, my children are not floating along playing at nothing all day they are faced with the real world each and every day.
Parents of public schooled children have NO TIME to teach holding the head up, most nights are a whirlwind of homework, ‘other stuff’ and ‘dealing with issues’ (issues that are normal, but much easier to deal with when you have access to your child.)
I will NEVER understand why anyone would send their small defensless child off to WORK 6 or so hours a day, purely beacuse everyone else is doing it!
Education is the second most important part of being a parent (safety/health is first) and it is the category most parents are failing at, the public school system in america is enabling them. Lord of the flies is exactly the immages brought to mind when I think of a flock of children with hardly any adult intervention (and the adults around went thru the same pulic school, so yeah, to them this whole hazing is normal….)
Normal my @$$!!! parden my language but there is nothing normal about a child being tripped for fun, a kid breaking a tailbone because the chair was pulled out from under them, or a kid being teased for nothing more than the sin of being different, schools do NOT encourage diversity they encourae you to find your click and stick with it, don’t you dare skip the ‘in’ clothes for your group.
Everyday I meet another person hell bent on ruining their child for the sake of normal, for the sake of the almighty college education, for the sake of high standards of knowledge, like not knowing the capital of Bulgaria (Sophia) is going to make or break their future income potential!!! That is soo much less important than the ability to go look it up online or go find a person from Bulgaria, and be able to communicate with them without poking fun at their accent!!!!! or the way they eat and dress (yogurt in beef?..errrr not my cup of tea…but hey I can try it once I guess)
Please, take your child home, then go to the bank, and the postoffice, and the grocery store, ect. live your life and help them live it too, not so they can pass a test, but so they can actually function in the real world when they are ready….with all the bills, the meaness of strangers (without joining in!) the responsibilitys, and they house that needs looking after, funerals and weddings, birthdays and arguments (‘you’re an idiot’ is not a proper ending to a discussion…..) Life is NOT a classroom with rows of desks and like aged people. Real life is what happens after the degree…real life is what goes on while a mass forced kid is sitting in a chair counting the minutes to freedom.
When they take that first step..you are there to catch them if they fall, and dust them off, and let em go at it, if they ask for advice, you can give it, if not, just be there…you are more important than a crowd of peers…..does your kid really need advice from an eight year old?
Cathy
December 16th, 2006 at 11:34 am
98I agree that fundamental to the entire problem of govt./public schools AND private schools is compulsory education.
And fundamental to that, perhaps, is lack of trust. I used to work in a school district curriculum lab, and I can tell you, the parent volunteers who came in the morning didn’t seem to trust the teachers or the administrators, and the teachers who came in the afternoons didn’t seem to trust the administrators or parents, and the administrators who came for special workshops didn’t seem to trust their own teachers nor the parents.
Needless to say, probably many of them didn’t trust the students.
When I say people don’t trust each other, I don’t necessarily mean that they feel uneasy leaving wads of money out in the open in front of them (although probably also the case); what I mean is this: the teachers don’t trust the parents to effectively parent and to put their kids’ needs ahead of their own convenience, the parents don’t trust the teachers to effectively teach and to put their students’ individual needs ahead of their own classroom management needs, and so forth. And nobody trusts the kids to learn on their own.
However, as the mother of three kids (24, 22, 15) who never went to school until college, I can promise you — kids do learn on their own. You can’t stop kids from learning on their own.
It is the compulsory nature of public schools that makes it much harder for them to be effective; compulsory education robs teachers of much of the power they should have to effectively help kids learn. When parents think they have to send their kids, and kids think they have to go, and teachers think they have to have them at the school, and administrators think they have to keep them no matter what, there is a very weird disempowerment that can happen.
An example is two experiences I had working with kids. Both were public in the sense that taxes paid my salary and both were open to local youth. One was a non-compulsory parks and rec program, and the other was a compulsory public school. The kids were the same mix of ethnic, socio-economic status, functional/broken families, etc.–but the experiences were VERY different. In the parks and rec program, I could allow kids to do anything legal and non-harmful, support them, etc. In the school, I had a lot of strictures put on my classroom–everything from how to structure my math instruction to having to give up my kids to the witch down the hall so she could make them hate reading–and I was expected to make the kids do and produce specific things. In the parks and rec program, I could easily lay down the law on how to use the materials–and if someone was misusing them, I could just ask that kid to leave. I had a lot of power and disgression. One time, when a whole gang of 7 or 8 big kids took my materials and wouldn’t listen to me, I packed up what I could get back and left. I got paid that one hour for sitting around with my boss back at P&R HQ, pretty pleasant for me. When I went back the next day, and the next and the next, the kids ALWAYS behaved well, cuz they did want and enjoy the program.
If we made schooling non-compulsory, would parents still send their kids?
Yes, mostly, because the reality is, most of them do need the babysitting. Not everyone is as determined to be as broke as my husband and I are (I haven’t earned a full time salary for 24 years now). Also, most of them really do want their kids to learn and to succeed, and they have been schooled to think that schooling is hooked to success. (It isn’t, necessarily, but it will take a while for that to become widely known.)
As far as the mean social culture that has been described so well by Steve and by many posters, I agree with some of you that a lot of the reason for that is the sheer numbers of kids. There aren’t enough adults-per-kids, and to some extent there isn’t enough multi-age-grouping, either. This helps a “Lord of the Flies” atmoshere to get established in some schools, and a “Mean Girls” atmosphere to get established in others…
As a new parent, many years ago, I knew I wanted to keep my kids out of the school system, but I also knew I wanted them to be exposed to social situations. I checked out a small private nursery school when my oldest was 3, and another one when she was 4. These nursery schools were run by caring, wonderful women. I didn’t like all aspects of the formal structure, but if I had thought it would suit my daughter, I was willing to submit her to such institutions as story hour and craft time. However, she did not want to go. (She went along with me on these look-sees.) It was the free time on the playground that turned her off most–a very rough and startlingly mean place. Despite the positive atmosphere of the school, despite its small size, there just were way more kids than adults. We checked out a Mommy-and-me class, and that worked out great. The parents didn’t stay in the kids’ faces at all times, to a huge extent sat in clusters and chatted–we needed social contact, too!–and we weren’t all necessarily perfect parents, but we were there, and that seemed to make all the difference. The kids weren’t nearly as rough, and they were only VERY rarely mean.
I believe that John Holt once wrote that schools seem to be established to make kids of winners into winners and kids of “losers” into losers, and to convince ALL of them that is really the kids’ (and their parents’) fault that they are winners or losers. In other words, schools seem to be established to maintain social classes in this supposedly classless society. And if that is true, then schools are to a large degree succeeding, not failing, which is why they go on in their dysfunctional way for decade after decade. (I was reading many of the same arguments and discussions 40 years ago–but in books and newsletters and magazine articles, not on the Internet.)
Also, although of course school-system “winners” don’t get harmed nearly as much as “losers,” they do get harmed. Critical thought and creativity and self-concept can suffer even with those who enjoy school. In my case, for instance, I somehow maintained some ability for critical thought and creativity, but I had to work hard for several years, as an adult, to get rid of my school-induced math phobia. (I got all As in high school, but didn’t understand math at ALL until college!) A friend of mine loved school, doing the whole class-vice-president, cheerleader thing, but still finds it hard to do something that isn’t publically recognized or extrinsically rewarded. She is still, at 39, a praise junky.
I enjoyed reading everyone’s thoughts. Thanks, Steve
Cathy
December 16th, 2006 at 11:40 am
99In regards to the hovering-in-the-bathroom-during-lunch scenario, when I went to high school in the early 70s, I would have never done this! What I did was this: I never went to the bathroom on the campus of my high school. I learned to hold my pee for 6 hours at a shot. Why?
Bathrooms were very dangerous places. That’s where you got beaten up, your money stolen, etc. Plus, rumor had it, they were FULL of smoke. Smoke of all kinds, I heard.
Don’t know about the smoke part, but I knew lots of kids who got their money stolen and their purses taken and their face bashed around and so forth.
Anyway, just thought I’d throw my 2-cents in on the school bathroom bit.
Max
December 16th, 2006 at 12:07 pm
100Government school doesn’t work well for kids that are different
That pretty much sums it up. I stumbled upon your site, I’m 16, althought its not hard for me it is hard for others but nobody can help them without sacrifice.
Merlin
December 16th, 2006 at 1:59 pm
101There seems to be a basic misunderstanding here as to the responsibility of the school to its students.
I always thought that their first and foremost responsibility was to teach math, english, science and so forth. You, Steve, and a lot of people who have commented complain more about being picked on, teased, tripped, robbed, shunned and so on ad nauseum. Like someone said, what was supposed to happen? Teachers can either teach in the classroom or monitor the bathrooms to see who is hiding in the stalls. My preference: Teaching.
If I’m in a restaurant and I get a bad meal, then I blame the restaurant because that’s their job – to prepare and serve food. On the other hand, if the guy at the next table picks a fight with me, I don’t blame the restaurant; I blame him.
And if I don’t have the social ability to handle the situation at all, I blame myself. I don’t complain about the food service industry letting just anybody into their establishments who can be rude, obnoxious and discourteous to other customers who are then made to pay for their meal anyway. I also don’t advocate that the solution is for everybody to eat at home.
Steve
December 16th, 2006 at 2:55 pm
102Merlin,
But what if you were forced by law to eat at a government owned resturant everyday where someone smacked you in the back of the head on the way in and the face on the way out and when you complained they said it was your problem they are just there to cook food, and if you didn’t return everyday you would be prosecuted. Eating at home would look pretty attractive wouldn’t it?
The big difference is, we get to choose where we eat. Most kids are forced to attend government school. The word is compulsory.
lharte
December 16th, 2006 at 7:02 pm
103Bravo! I am a public school teacher in a large Bronx High School. People think I am insane for working there, but I am extremely tenacious. My tenacity comes from the fact that the system does not want qualified teachers. It does not want individuals who will teach children to think on their own. The average teaching career in an inner city is 5 years. It is at this point that teachers realize that there is absolutely nothing they can do to change the system. It seems to have been devised to do the opposite of what it advertises. In the meantime, hundreds of thousands of children enter the buildings. I go back for them.
Chris
December 16th, 2006 at 9:41 pm
104I can’t say that I’m surprised with the outcries of others with regards to this post, but I can say that I don’t totally agree.
I attended seventeen public schools during my thirteen year “grade school” career ( K – 12 ). I suppose that I had the unique opportunity to attend schools of such varied socio-economic strata all over the mid-Atlantic states and Arkansas. Due in no small part to the fact that I was uprooted from one hamlet only to find myself dropped into the next, I had the opportunity to learn that it’s not “the system” that works against the kids. The flaw in “the system” is the quality of character in the human beings who are entrusted to teach and administer teachers.
I was fortunate enough to be able to get a “fresh start” every year, moving from school to school, so I did no carry the baggage usually attached to a student by both their peer and their teachers. As such, I had a renewed opportunity to be who I chose to be at the next stop, as opposed to who someone, teacher or kid, had labeled me to be. This provided me significant flexibility to the the “free spirit” that I wanted to be. I too had a teacher who tried to flunk me because I did something eerily similar to Steve by completing the end-of-year project in week one. Additionally, I had another teacher who did flunk me because I understood derivations (calculus) in the fifth grade and was all too keen to show off my learning.
In the end, the people who wronged me as a child were just poor people. However for every jack-leg that came my way during my educational travels, I had at least as many guardians who encouraged me in the ways that they though I should best live my life. Every one of them “helped” me through their own filters, some thick of their own regrets or accomplishments, some transparent in hopes that I would excel my own way. Nevertheless, these occurrences had little to do with the fact that educational measurement is a horrendously imprecise art ( test-taking ), but more to do with the types of people who were in positions of authority over me.
You will find that regardless of the type of educational facility, the quality of those who teach will be varied. As one commenter said, finances are a component of determination with regards to the character of the people who are the leaders of the schools. Better people are usually compensated better. This, I believe, is why home-schooling works. The people who make that kind of commitment are, for the most part, conscientious enough to make the sacrifice of money and time to home-school. Homeschoolers are also likely to have a strong sense of their values and a commitment toward fulfilling those values.
Our responsibility as parents is to teach our children:
that authority is not absolute, but defiance always has a cost
risk should always be measured against reward ( specifically for defiance )
to look through the action to the intent, whether positive or negative
to never deal in absolutes, even good people can be donkeys
to constantly define and redefine who we want to be, and live like that person would live
to choose actions that make us proud of who we are
If we teach our children how to filter, as I was taught when I was young, then neither “the system,” or “the popular kids” or “the vindictive teacher” can change who they become. All they can do is create static. Our kids will have static throughout their lives, learning to cope with it at a young age will be to their benefit.
Perhaps I am biased or just playing devil’s advocate. In interests of full disclosure, my three years of high school were the best three years of my life. I learned more in those three years, both academically and sociologically, than I did in four plus years of college ( some grad school ). I say this despite the fact that I went to a school where my vice-principal was stabbed just yards from me one morning, I did not go to my own prom and I was voted “most likely to be in a remake of the Three Stooges films.”
Footnote…I lived a couple of times with a grandmother who was an eighth grade civics teacher, so I became well-versed in the mechanizations of teachers and administrators. Their plights and politics were familiar to me by the time I was twelve, so while I do not work in the public education system, I do have some perspective into how it worked when I was a lad.
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December 16th, 2006 at 11:22 pm
106When I graduated high school I thought it’d be the best day of my life. Finally, liberated from the torments that is school. I went through a therapist because I couldn’t deal with what was going on. However, that didn’t help they just told me to focus more on school…
It is a constant battle to be accepted and my school wasn’t exceptional so the teachers focused on all the remedial needs for a job at say Taco Bell. Hell we watched three different versions of Romeo and Juliet instead of comprehending what the man wrote, where we could turn in a paper full of editing marks on them and get full credit, where wanting to learn or knowing something simple inspired dumfoundedness. All in all high school especially didn’t prepare me for anything I needed in college.
The teachers themselves were scared of the students and many of them left after the year I graduated. Teachers that were great lost their steam from the lack of appreciation of the works. How can you teach a class when students don’t want to learn? All in all K-12 is a failure.
I thought college would be better, but it is still the same. People still in clicks, people still discriminating. It’s a horrible experience I had to endure and continue to endure I think the psychological distress is done. I cannot function at all during school and have bad emotional problems. I decided to take a semester off to basically catch up to what I need to know to be in college in the first place.
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Cathy
December 17th, 2006 at 9:49 am
108When thinking about whether or not to blame the schools for bullying or violence, think outside the box. Outside of school.
There are public institutions that are NOT compulsory. One example is the public library. If I, a parent, dropped my 12-year-old daughter off at the library and she was picked on and physically abused, and she applied to the adult library workers for help and they didn’t help, I sure as heck would blame them. I would be tempted to sue them (and I am not lawsuit happy, in real life, I’ve never sued anyone).
Let’s say that my daughter is doing a huge research project, and there are wonderful resources at the library. So I drop her off, as before, and she is picked on and physically abused, as before. This time, when she applies for help from the staff, they rebuke the abusers and stop it for now. She calls me on her cell phone, and I rush over and talk to the staff. They apologize and promise it won’t happen again. I assume (wrongly) that they have asked the abusers to leave.
Okay, say the next day, the same abusers level the same abuse against my daughter. Again, the adults briefly stop the abuse. Again, the abusers aren’t thrown out on their butts or otherwise held responsible for their actions. The police aren’t called, the parents aren’t contacted, and I am not told their identity. I would be mad at the library staff! Even if they apologized again, and promised it wouldn’t happen again.
But if the same thing happened a THIRD time, I would only have myself to blame. How dare I bring her to that library–resources or no? Or, if I was willing to take her there, I’d HAVE TO stay. She’s my kid, I have to take responsibility for her safety, right?
Does this make sense in the analogy of the school? Absolutely. The point is, parents need to take ultimate responsibility for the safety of their kids, and although it is very challenging to live on one paycheck, and I’m sure impossible for some, and of course what about all those single-parent homes?–still, parents should take responsibility for their own kids’ safety, and call the cops, bring lawsuits, talk to the media, talk and talk and talk to the school personnel–whatever it takes–switch schools, homeschool, take their kids to work, move….
But ALSO the teachers and administrators should take responsibility for making the institution a safe place. Notice that the endless bullying by the same people at a public library never happens. That’s partly because the people who use the library don’t have to be there, so they aren’t filled with anger…It’s partly because, since the people who use the library don’t have to be there, the librarians can easily kick out disruptive “customers.”
The key, as Steve says, is COMPULSORY. If schools weren’t compulsory, as libraries aren’t, they wouldn’t be as full of angry or bored kids. They wouldn’t be as full of kids, period! And, most key to this analogy, disruptive people would be ushered out. Constant disrupters wouldn’t be let in. Go find yourself another school, Mr. Bully. How refreshing that would be for a harried school official!
I have a feeling that most of the writers who insist that learning how to take bullying and abuse is a natural and maybe even valuable thing–I have a feeling that most of them are male, and that they don’t have kids. Believe me, it’s AWFUL to see your little kid get abused. And it should be! It’s not natural! My three kids have never had experiences like that, and they seem all the better for it!
Also, it’s awful to see your DAUGHTER get abuse. Remember, a lot of the bad stuff that happens to kids happens to GIRLS, and there is a sexual component to it. I’ve got three daughters, and I shudder at what has happened to some girls I know–one girl, age 5, was routinely pulled behind the handball court by three or four bigger boys, and had her skirt pulled up…They didn’t “touch” her, they wrote “bad words” on her legs with Sharpie pens. Then the threatened to kill her if she ever told her teachers and parents….Another case happened to an older teen, who was cornered by five guys in a dark place. The guys groped her “upstairs” and “down” and I don’t know all what (apparently not exactly rape, but definitely molestation). She was pulled into the office, her mom called, etc., and they boys were kicked out of school for the day, but nobody would tell her or her mom who they were…And it was so dark, she didn’t know who they were.
Picture the vicitm being your daughter. Your flesh and blood. Someone you held and protected when they were 3 days old and 3 months old and 3 years old. It’s not natural or good or a learning experience to be victimized and attacked. Not for girls, and not for boys, either.
shane
December 17th, 2006 at 3:10 pm
109I think there’s some other factors worth emphasis, the fact that the economy doesn’t afford a parent to be at home raising children
another good ref. check out the book Leipzig Connection it goes over the origin of how our schools got this way in the first place
Adam
December 18th, 2006 at 8:58 am
110Until the 8th grade, I was in the public school system. I constantly felt lost, like I had no connection to anyone or anything around me. I was a bit chubby, and sensitive, and as a result, was not “popular,” to say the least. It was only after I went to a small private Methodist-affiliated boarding school that I finally gained enough self-confidence to engage myself in the learning process. I believe that part of what brought about that change was the small class size and the time my teachers were able to devote to me. I can’t imagine where I’d be if I had stayed in public school. It wouldn’t have been pretty.
Our public schools suffer from overcrowding, underfunding, and adherence to a 1950′s-style of teaching that is no longer viable in the Information Age. If the government devoted even half of the money it spends on warfare, the problem could be addressed. Teachers salaries must be raised to entice more qualified candidates. More, smaller schools must be built to create a more intimate and focused learning environment. And instead of teaching to a standardized test, more emphasis should be put on encouraging creative thinking and problem solving. THESE THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. But it will take a government truly dedicated to education. For too long, lip service has been paid but little else. No Child Left Behind has done nothing to solve any of the outstanding problems in our schools, its merely created higher standards which are impossible to reach without proper educational reform.
Elaira
December 18th, 2006 at 10:13 am
111When my child finally graduates from school it will be one of the best days of all of this family’s lives.
My child is a special needs child and is consistantly harrassed and abused by our local school system.
It’s to the point of my contacting our state for a investigation into what really goes on in the US school system.
LZ
December 18th, 2006 at 10:26 am
112I don’t know why you keep saying “government schools.” Private schools are no better. I went to both, and I was treated far worse in private school than public school.
But look, it’s the attitude you brought up that “it’s a normal part of being a kid” that’s at the root of all this. It doesn’t matter where you send your child if someone else sending their child there believes it’s OK for their child to torture yours, or if they dismiss their child’s complaints when your child tortures theirs. Same for school administration. Adults have to stop acting like the abuse they inflicted/received is some sort of hazing ritual that everyone has to go through. I have a 25YO relative who admitted being a drug addict (including alcohol) a couple of years ago, a path he too went down after years of abuse by schoolmates. That is far less likely to happen in an evironment where the children are listened to. Kids are in school most of the day, so even though parents have first responsibility, many kids figure if the school won’t listen their folks won’t either (even when that’s not true).
It’s not the government school system causing this…it’s societal attitudes.
Steve
December 18th, 2006 at 11:56 am
113LZ,
I believe government is more descriptive than public.
A few reasons why:
It’s universal and compulsory. The government dictates that every child must attend school. If I don’t have the means to educate my child via an alternative, I am required by law to send my child to the local public school. Thus the schools are full of kids that do not want to be there, which causes a massive problem for the kids and teachers that do want to be there. This is the biggest difference between government school and a public library or a public park. The government-forced attendance is the biggest similarity to the prison institution. At least prison isn’t universal. Imagine if the law required everyone to attend prison for the 25th year of his or her life? I think there’d be a civil war.
The US Supreme court dictates what can and can’t be taught in a public school.
The “No Child Left Behind Act”
The government funds school by taking money from us under threat of imprisonment or property seizure.
Danno
December 18th, 2006 at 12:38 pm
114I think that it is education per se that is compulsory. Strictly speaking, going to a public school is optional since, as you point out, there are alternatives, e.g., private schools (if your folks have the money) or home schooling (if your folks have the time and the qualifications).
The Supreme Court doesn’t dictate what can and can’t be taught. It arbitrates disputes when and if all other avenues, starting at the local school board level, are exhausted.
The “No Child Left Behind” Act is a fraud perpetrated upon a public who figures that something is better than nothing but doesn’t know – or care – what that something is.
LZ
December 18th, 2006 at 1:15 pm
115Fair points all, but I see the issues you raised regarding children being tortured by peers being separate from school being compulsory. Socialization is an important part of childhood, and while I agree that many things you cited are problematic (No Child Left Behind being the major one), I don’t see a connection between those and the adult attitudes that kids should just live with being harrassed and assaulted. I guess I just see a different cause – schooling would work better if that adult attitude were adjusted and/or if schools were structured differently. Maybe I’m not outside the box enough, but I don’t see what alternative to schools would work. Not everyone is capable of home-schooling either intellecutally or financially. Alternative forms of schooling work, but I despair at the thought of homogeneous institutions. To my mind, what we really need rid of is the adult biases that are still very much in effect – racism, sexism, “different=bad,” and the “My kid beat up your honor student” bumper-sticker mentality. I don’t see how any educational system can work without that first step (after all, the neighborhood kids can still torture you in the street if we do away with government-mandated schooling, and some kids’ parents still won’t care to be involved in their lives). Same goal, different perspectives. Ce la vie.
Microwaved
December 18th, 2006 at 2:25 pm
116To Steve and the many others leaving comments with the same experiences, public schools didn’t work for me either.
I started my education in Maple Grove, Minnesota at Winnetka Elementary. In 1983 my family moved to Iowa. A small rural farming town in Iowa. In Minnesota I had been picked out as being a bit different than the other students. I was what they would call “gifted” I guess. I was smart and could read well beyond my age. I enjoyed my school experiences in Minnesota but I remember one thing that stood out. The day before we moved to Iowa I wanted to make a speech to my class about how much I would miss them and how much I was looking forward to new experiences. I was pretty “strange” I guess, most of the kids didn’t get it and my teacher I don’t think got it either. No biggie.
So my family took up residence in Iowa. In this town there are only two kinds of people. White Farmers and White Athletes. Mind you I’m white too but I came from a diverse city to a town of white people. In Minnesota I had soccer and gymnastics. In Iowa I had football, baseball, basketball or wrestling. I wasn’t good at any of those sports but I liked soccer and gymnastics but like I said they weren’t offered, hell most people didn’t even know what they were. So I gravitated towards music, art, and theatre. I had long hair and was a pretty thin little dude with glasses. My family was very poor and I was definitely not like everyone else. Things I guess were pretty normal for me until I reached Junior High. Then all hell broke loose. In 6th grade all the children from the elementary schools where bused into the giant Junior High that had been the High School from which my father had graduated from. In 6th grade I started out quite popular because I was different. I had spikey hair and was really out going. My next door neighboor who is one of the coolest dudes I had ever met was into punk rock, mind you it was Billy Idol but it was punk for me, and he took me under his wing. He was a high school outlaw and was feeding my quest for art, music and counterculture. About 1/2 way through my 6th grade year the entire school turned on me and I became an outcast. An untouchable in a cast system. I still to this day have no idea why. From that point on I was beaten up and picked on every day until I was sent away in my Junior year of high school. (I had developed a bit of drug and alcohol problem while trying to fit in with the burnouts and stoners). I was good at school, I didn’t have to try and I got good grades. I just wanted to fit in and not get beaten up anymore. I have a fake tooth from where a football player bashed me in the face with my own trumpet. In history class the wrestlers used to pull out my hair until I would let them cheat off of my exams. I tried to fit in but I just didn’t. And there were no options for me. I couldn’t play sports and no one gave a damn about academics or art then.
Finally after I got sent away I started a new high school and turned a new leaf. I decided that I was no longer going to let the bastard hold me down and I was going to follow my dreams. Of couse I was also going to a bigger high school that had more people like me than before and I found my nitch as it may have been that carried me through college until this day.
Now a point you might ask, and here is my point. I too believe that the educational system in the US is flawed. I have no solutions to the problem. Nor do I think I could come up with any. I’m about to become a father for the first time and the only thing that I want to make sure of is that my child isn’t the only strange one in the school. I now live in a rather large college community in Iowa and my child will have dozens of more options than I ever had. That is the most important thing to me. I could care less if they decide to play sports or follow their father into theatre, I just want them to be able to find one thing that works for them and feel satisfied and confident that they can succeed at what ever they set out to do. I want there to be enough people around that have similar interests so that they find someone to connect with and they don’t feel so much like an outsider like I did.
Golden Tree
December 18th, 2006 at 5:06 pm
117I agree with you completely about the state of gifted and talented education. You mention the difficulties these kids have, and I couldn’t agree with you more. I was one of these kids, and the public school system didn’t help me at all, just made things worse. One of the kids I work with at a private school is gifted and just got removed due to his personal/emotional issues. I’ve been wanting to start a school like this (Golden Tree Academy) to help these kids for the longest time.
Richard
December 18th, 2006 at 9:11 pm
118As a current high school senior in North Carolina, I found this to be a particularly poignant article. My family hails from an upper-middle class background, so my childhood was one of having a lot of books. While I wasn’t the computer titan you grew to be at a young age, I was reading books on higher levels than the curriculum in classrooms today pushes me to by the time I started second grade.
My sister did the same as me, only more so, and wound up graduating second in her class of about 500 in 2005, but took large amounts of emotional harassment and essentially played the game, feigning interest at assignments that were under her in the highest levels our high school offered. She’s going to Budapest on an International Math Scholarship Program next summer through the University of William & Mary, where she’s earning top academic honors and having a much better time than she ever did in high school.
I dominated my grades until middle school, when I did sort of go the way that you did, and gave up my grades for having a peer social life. I never started failing classes, but I had a number of close calls, playing the game to keep my head above water. Like my sister, I took top classes, but never really got her grades.
Last year, though, I had one teacher for United States History who understood after teaching my sister for two years what he was in store for. He understood that I was going to get an A in his class and get a 5 out of 5 on the AP Test, and that most of the notes he would offer me were prior knowledge. What I got instead was a teacher who was willing to talk with me on a higher level about history, and I essentially got free use of his 3,000 book library that he keeps in his trailer unit. I learned more from that man, who has a long series of academic awards behind him, and I’ve returned for his highly exclusive Constitutional History course, which I’m similarly dominating as we prepare for a state competition his team has won for ten consecutive years.
In addition, I had a Western Civilization course offered at my school through the University of North Carolina that operated under similar premises, except that the teacher never taught my sister. From these two teachers, I learned without putting effort forth toward the curriculum. The two classes were easy A’s for me, I got nine hours of college credit from the two, and both teachers cared about my academic journey enough to encourage me to think critically.
On the other hand, the hardest course I was subjected to was a pseudoacademic American Literature course, where the teacher pushed a twisted version of Reader-Response Criticism on the class. Unfortunately, this led to some truly horrible books (Hurston’s Their Eyes Were Watching God, Morrison’s Beloved), as well as some horrible lessons on good books (The Sound and The Fury particularly suffered), while the best books were read out of the classroom (East of Eden, Ellison’s Invisible Man). While I’m not particularly fond of that class, the striking contrast between my tastes and hers prompted me to break with any blind obedience of my teacher. While this has turned into a sort of rebellion without cause this year, I’ve stopped letting the teacher teach the same class she taught last year or last period, and started demanding that the teacher teach THAT class at THAT time.
I have a decently impressive high school resume that’s working to my advantage as college applications roll around. I have four years of marching band and three years of our winter ensemble program, six years of martial arts, three years as the president of our school’s History Club, and three years of Debate, capped off by being the team captain this year. Despite these achievements, however, I’m ranked off around 100 out of 550 students in my graduating class. It’s not that I’m a bad student, it’s just that I’ve stopped listening to bad teachers in bad classes.
The solution you offered is good–by all means, yes, government schooling should be better. I don’t feel like you really addressed the point your former teacher brought up, though–students need to stop rolling over under the system. My sister, for her grades, never found acceptance. I revel in acceptance, generally speaking, but have failed to get the grades.
The fact of the matter is that my teachers appreciate that I’m challenging them this year, even if it does make teaching a bit more difficult and doesn’t always get the grade (for example, my English teacher refused to give me credit when I illustrated “bereft,” or rather refused to illustrate “bereft,” on a vocabulary test). I’ve observed that these classes tend to be the most intellectual classes I’m in, even if they’re hardly breaking any new philosophical grounds.
The problem with public schooling is a problem on many levels. Yes, the government-regulated school system is to blame, but it’s important to not forget that both teachers and students also have an obligation. Change is always change, no matter where it comes from.
Consumer Thoughts
December 19th, 2006 at 3:24 am
119Gosh, this sounds like me…
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Jenn
December 19th, 2006 at 9:39 am
120Having survived 12 years of public school in two very different school districts, I’m still sitting on the fence about the whole home school thing. My first roommate in college came from a different school system and she seemed to think that it was ok to not take tests because she “didn’t test well”. Where I went to school, and it was a pretty liberal town, “not testing well” was not an option. So that was one thing I learned to appreciate about my education; If you didn’t do well at something, then it was up to you to figure it out for yourself. I hope my kid learns how to do that instead of being told every “failure” is not her problem because she might have a syndrome or condition. And before you flame back, I grew up with kids who were certifiably hyperactive and ADD and believe me, you can tell the difference between “condition” and “bratty behavior”.
Now we have friends with a kid in kindergarten and he’s already having nightmares and stomach aches from being harassed by the other kids. I would love to homeschool our daughter but we’ll have to see what we can do when the time comes. For every time I remember yankee kids laughing at my southern accent, I can also remember going on great field trips and playing field hockey. At the least, no matter where we school her, we are going to take her to martial arts school. It couldn’t hurt.
dan
December 19th, 2006 at 10:11 am
121Home schooling isn’t a solution. it alienates the kids from real life situations.
Besides, some of the things you went through are hard, that’s true, but they were necessary for you to become the person you are now… think about that.
If your children don’t get some harsh experiences they may never develop the same sense of “question the system” as you did.
As for the last post, you have to be careful about martial arts and kids. Be aware that martial arts were built for war, not as a sport.
Flame On: Public Schools Create Mindless Drones at Urban Monarch
December 19th, 2006 at 4:09 pm
122[...] There’s a lot of anecdotal evidence to the contrary. But are they just theorizing, or can we find the truth behind the school system? [...]
Lars
December 20th, 2006 at 10:49 am
123After reading this article, I have the impression that the American school experience is very much like the Norwegian one. Myself, I had my mind screwed up by nine years in Norwegian hell, and I didn’t learn a thing except countless ways to hate myself. Interesting point about the system being designed to deliver 80% to the factory floors, btw.